are people still careless in v0.9?

[Bringerof_D]

it was like that my first few games, but from what i see it's starting to improve a bit. very slowly of course. i probably only noticed cause i play only on week ends, whereas if you play every day you probably wont notice the change

[Pariel]

There are, and will always be, retards in game.

I personally think that if you're playing PR without a mic, you're not going to play well. And if you're not using that mic to communicate constantly with your squad, you're still not playing well.

Communication generally solves most problems, and slight amounts of care prevent you from rolling the trucks and BRDM (only things I've rolled that I can remember).

[maarit]

worst thing what i saw,happened few days ago.i was in silent eagle in a1 flag capping it with my squadleader.when it was capped,he just committed suicide.i was wtf?...
and then he spawned other side of the map.
he jumped in truck,take the rest of squad with him and drived somewhere.

yes,it was much quicker method to change your place but just stupid.
i disconnected from server.
i think this happen when you dont care who wins(you dont care if you lose tickets)
you just want action.
i just wish that in the end,winning is more important...and when its more important,people dont want lose tickets(cos you gonna lose the game)

[Celestial1]

Yes, people are careless, there's no mistaking it.

They will suffer for it in the long run, with the new changes. They'll adapt, or they'll be easy targets.



To the victor goes the spoils.

[dtacs]

takes literally about 15 seconds. if you get bored for doing something that takes 15 seconds how do you ever play this mod?

as for OP: people will ALWAYS be careless... its a game.

Exactly, plus many hands make light work. If you see someone not helping to build but are around, just press call for help and shoot around their feet. Usually does the job to get their attention.

[NyteMyre]

takes literally about 15 seconds. if you get bored for doing something that takes 15 seconds how do you ever play this mod?

as for OP: people will ALWAYS be careless... its a game.

There's a difference between 15 seconds of walking towards something and watching a shovel go up and down for 15 seconds.

Yes, shoveling for 15 seconds is BORING

[Lange]

There's a difference between 15 seconds of walking towards something and watching a shovel go up and down for 15 seconds.

Yes, shoveling for 15 seconds is BORING

Dude if you seriously think that im sorry but you will have a very hard time doing anything in this mod if you can't stay idle for just a few minutes at the time. If you hate shoveling the basic point is learn to like it or you will be missing out a huge gameplay concept of this mod.

[Phantom2]

Let's see. People Crashing Chinooks every 2 seconds in Operation Archer. Whole squads getting killed by a single player on Karbala. and APCs being reckless on Ramiel...Pretty much, but I hope this is the storm and soon will be the calm.

[Nyarlathotep]

Shoveling does actually annoy me, but not because of how long it takes so much as the tempo the shovel goes at - for whatever reason, it just annoys me and I kind of want to shovel faster, even if it takes the same amount of time to actually build it. Oh, well... that's probably why I usually either play SL or medic

More on topic, though, I do notice a lack of firebases in general. I think the general hive-mind of PR has not quite adjusted itself to the new rhythm games take on with more firebase-building, so oftentimes you just end up with a shortage. More of an issue in Insurgency than anything else, I think.

[Ford_Jam]

People who hate building FB's

1. Equip shovel and approach deployable asset
2. Rest something heavy on Mouse1
3. Go and get a drink
4. ???
5. You have a drink and a built FB

[maarit]

Still careless and that can't change no matter how we force teamwork because this is a game

i count word force like a negative word.dont force people to make teamwork.
give them some lure that they act right way.
building fob is good examble.
you get spawnpoint as a reward if you build those.(would anybody build those if you dont get spawnpoint after building?)
but what if there is some lure if you win?
yeah,im talking abour rankingsystem.(cos i dont know what else it would be)
im not sure if this rankingsystem is too buggy to add in pr,how much you can tweak it to pr standards.
quick examble:
everyone is private.
you need 10000 points to get your rank up.
only the winning team, best squad can keep their points.
so,there a lure but you have to be good squad and also win the game.

yep,raw examble,but would this somekind of goal what is worth to achieve?
every squad try play just good as they can to get those points.
i just wanna know what reactions this kind of system will have in players behavior.
why this communitys mind have been always?:big no to the ranks.
maybe its just cold fact that there is always few goofys flying helis throuhg hotzones.

but lets see how my gaming experience change cos i invited few friend to play with me.
i bet that it gonna change a lot when you have people who you know playing with you.

[dtacs]

People who hate building FB's

1. Equip shovel and approach deployable asset
2. Rest something heavy on Mouse1
3. Go and get a drink
4. ???
5. You have a drink and a built FB

So thats what you do in my squads ?

[maarit]

People who hate building FB's

1. Equip shovel and approach deployable asset
2. Rest something heavy on Mouse1
3. Go and get a drink
4. ???
5. You have a drink and a built FB

i get drinks if i die...so i die a lot

[Qaiex]

I agree with the system employed by the developers.
Punish failure instead of rewarding people for doing what they're supposed to do.

[LithiumFox]

i count word force like a negative word.dont force people to make teamwork.
give them some lure that they act right way.
building fob is good examble.
you get spawnpoint if you build those.
but what if there is some lure if you win?
yeah,im talking abour rankingsystem.(cos i dont know what else it would be)
im not sure if this rankingsystem is too buggy to add in pr,how much you can tweak it to pr standards.
quick examble:
everyone is private.
you need 10000 points to get your rank up.
only the winning team, best squad can keep their points.
so,there a lure but you have to be good squad and also win the game.

yep,raw examble,but would this somekind of goal what is worth to achieve?
every squad try play just good as they can to get those points.
i just wanna know what reactions this kind of system will have in players behavior.
why this communitys mind have been always?:big no to the ranks.
maybe its just cold fact that there is always few goofys flying helis throuhg hotzones.

but lets see how my gaming experience change cos i invited few friend to play with me.
i bet that it gonna change a lot when you have people who you know playing with you.

Well, also look at it that sometimes people will just go to a empty server and spam this. i think for a ranking system to work, it would have to be in an Unpassworded, Ranked server with at least 20 or so people. That way there are witnesses. :3

What you could also do is give incentives to medics and civilians and stuff. Medics get a little faster patching capabilities (due to experience, though this might cause a argument over who can be medic which then will piss people off), or for instance, customizable weapons. (SERIOUSLY want. I mean, really... why can't my M4 SL rifle look cooler than the other persons M4 SL rifle)

Though a weapons customization chart would be large due to the large amount of weapons... > > increasing the filesize of the game by a LOT =3

anyways... Incentives. =3

[KEIOS]

People are already looking at their ingame points and do care about being the "best" squad or having a good K/D. Sure a vanilla-like rewardsystem, where you get badges and medals for useless actions would damage the game, but as the OP explained: a positive reward always gets peoples attention and motivates to act the right way. Some sort of Ranking could even restrict the access to important assets, so an absolute newbie would have to play some time and reach some pointlevel playing as a rifleman before he can request a pilot kit or other assets of higher importance.

[maarit]

yeah,i dont wanna go that far in some reward system or what ever it would be/called that there some customweapons or anything like the what reminds vanilla system too much.

Some sort of Ranking could even restrict the access to important assets, so an absolute newbie would have to play some time and reach some pointlevel playing as a rifleman before he can request a pilot kit or other assets of higher importance.

maybe someday but not in very start.first we have to know will this improve any players behavior in game.

main point is:
do teamwork,make your team win,get your reward.
and yeah,maybe there might be some spamming in empty servers but there should be some official pr servers with passwords,good admins,something like that.

and maybe if there is something what players try to achieve,its not that when 6 months have passed with new release there is no questions:when devs gonna release new maps and goodies,cos we are so bored
go and try to get your ranks,soldier!.
but if there is some other way to reward the players to act right and play like the mod should be played,i wanna know what it is.

http://gloryhoundz.com/stats/108959596
i think that that service is dead?

i get the idea from remove kill-counter thread.
so only winning side see the stats at the end of the round.

[dtacs]

I agree with the system employed by the developers.
Punish failure instead of rewarding people for doing what they're supposed to do.

There is failure, then there is accidental or simply unexplained bugs that cause people to be punished.

Example:

I was .50 cal'ing for an Abrams on Silent Eagle when we drove into a little post by the side of the road (the reflector things that are everywhere) when we suddenly exploded and blew up, another hilarious result of the BF2 engine.

When we respawned and got another tank (vehicle warfare) I could not get in as it said 'Learn to use your weapon systems before ATTACKING FRIENDLY TARGETS' or something like that, and I could not crew a vehicle at all and had to reconnect. A stupid, idiotic implementation that clearly has negative results and hardly many positive ones.

[Qaiex]

Yes, there does of course have to be some leeway for that kind of stuff.
But considering how rarely you just explode for no apparent reason I still say it's a good system.

[NyteMyre]

you will have a very hard time doing anything in this mod if you can't stay idle for just a few minutes at the time.

You say that like i'm new to this mod.
I've been playing since 0.5 and yes, I've never been a fan of shoveling stuff.


Some quote from Company of Heroes game.
"I didn't sign up to build stuff".....or something similar when you order soldiers to build something