[Failed thread] Do you like the new Rally point change?

[CodeRedFox]

If it helps *snickers* the dev's never look at polls anyways. The majority never decide what we do.

[TOME Malambri]

We are getting off topic here, the point is that the new rally system is better, maybe it has some flaws but it delivers a much more realistic and enjoyable experience. If you say things like "I HATE IT NOW CUS WHEN I DIE I HAVE TO RESPAWN FURTHER AWAY!!" I have one tip for you... DONT DIE!! Easy as that. Stay stealthy, quick and tactical and you should be fine and if you kill an enemy squad you can be that more happy because you know they are dead and they wont pop out in 20 seconds.

Do you read what you type?

The point is not that the new rally system is better. It is being questioned by a bunch of very serious PR players. DONT DIE!! Please...go camp with your sniper rifle some more. Dying is a part of this game, just as much as reloading, when you get things done in this game as a squad.

Of course, I am such a pathetic moron that I will continue to play this game even if the DEVs turned off the gravity and gave everyone jetpacks. So whatever to this poll

[gazzthompson]

Ummm, and spawning from FOBs is realistic? Theres a lot in this game that isn't realistic. As far as I am concerned, RPs are no more realistic than FOBs and 1 life before respawning at main. Its the gameplay factor which is important in those cases.

did i say spawning at FOBs where realistic? no.. even tho we are getting offtopic but all forms of spawning are unrealistic, and not spawning is unrealistic as since when are all large scale battles 32v32 ?, tickets = people = larger scale battle.

How so?

see above.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

I like it lots, although it requires a much higher level of teamwork and coordination than before. At the moment there seems to be too many VOIP mutes and mumble mutes.

[Fuhrious]

At the moment there seems to be too many VOIP mutes and mumble mutes.

Directly related to the erosion of the squad unity caused by the removal of the rally points. There is little intensity of squad coordination now. When I used to SL I would always enforce a rule of 'everyone within 50-100m at all times' so that we can mutually support each other, target bearings were generally relevant for all members and the medic would be not be far from any casualty. If we have deaths we wait for them to come back off the RP. Now more often than not the squad is permanently broken into 2's and 3's, unless you are sitting right on a FOB. The main reason to join a squad now is to get a special weapon.

[zebra.actual]

1. Yes, love it.

What were RPs again?

[gazzthompson]

Directly related to the erosion of the squad unity caused by the removal of the rally points. There is little intensity of squad coordination now. When I used to SL I would always enforce a rule of 'everyone within 50-100m at all times' so that we can mutually support each other, target bearings were generally relevant for all members and the medic would be not be far from any casualty. If we have deaths we wait for them to come back off the RP. Now more often than not the squad is permanently broken into 2's and 3's, unless you are sitting right on a FOB. The main reason to join a squad now is to get a special weapon.

disagree, the new change has put emphasis on squad sticking together. regrouping fully before moving out, more emphasis on medic and falling back. all good gameplay traits. i rarely have my squad split up, if i do i start kicking.

[PLODDITHANLEY]

What I meant is that there seems to be alot of less serious PR players about, for me talking is vital on PR, I don't want to play with mutes, if he has a foreign accent who cares, if he's 12 (but an OK player) who cares ... I don't.

I totally agree with above, although it will take getting used to, and the VBF run, spray, pray gang will find it very difficult.
I love it when you take out an enemy squad that's it, they're gone, its so nice to relax after and be happy.

I had my most intense infantry battles ever last night on Jabal, the fear that if we lose its back to the Essex....

[glowjack177]

But yeah, I play medic alot and I see more players waiting for respawns (though you still have to nag them not to give up). (I also see more squads just for kits, I make a point of avoiding them and tking them in the last min of the game)

The people who have a problem with the rallies?

>Well stop dying.

The people who have a problem with the FOBs?

>The logi truck is not a HAT/sniper transport, even know its being used as such

The people who have a problem with the hideouts?

>Your pathetic, it doesn't even need supplies, insurgency should be spamming this stuff.

People who won't stay close to the squad?

> Not nesscarily a problem, more mutual cover, wider front for less flanking, its just that when you let them spread out they tend to run off and never come back.

It seems to me that while the Devs can improve the game they can't improve some of the players.
I believe the solution is brain lobotomy for selected PR players to remove their self-will.

[Heskey]

I like it.

Rally points really are rally points now.

Your squad came under heavy fire and your medic is down with no chance to get his kit; you (the officer) and one remaining squad member decide that pushing on is a deathwish, and you fall back quickly to the nearest safe location.

You have one last chance to bring your squad's efforts back from the brink; you place your rally point and tell your squad to spawn in.

This is it, your one last chance.

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I think it works amazingly well, and it's clear to see from the poll that most others do to. The only further improvement I could possibly see is the removal of rally points entirely; then we'd see some proper FB defense squads!

[Flynn1982]

I like it but compleat team work form all 32 is very important, u have to have good fb location and not waste them.

[manligheten]

The people who have a problem with the rallies?

>Well stop dying.

...You realise that folk have to stop killing too for people not dying?

I actually fear that there will be a huge drop in playerbase as it were with 0.7. A slow and sometimes frustrating game becomes even more slow and frustrating.

[yogibearz]

A slow and sometimes frustrating game becomes even more slow and frustrating.

This is just a matter of attitude

Voted yes. Makes game more realistic, forces you to value your virtual life more and the biggest selling point; you kill them all, they're pushed back, so no endless waves of respawning troops. There's a lot of games that encourage that kind of a gameplay, we're lucky that PR team dares to be fresh and different.

[gazzthompson]

I like it.

Rally points really are rally points now.

Your squad came under heavy fire and your medic is down with no chance to get his kit; you (the officer) and one remaining squad member decide that pushing on is a deathwish, and you fall back quickly to the nearest safe location.

You have one last chance to bring your squad's efforts back from the brink; you place your rally point and tell your squad to spawn in.

This is it, your one last chance.

speaks the truth ^ but you also have the option of: "you know what... we tried and failed lets pull back and re-arm RP and/or regroup with another squad", rather than constant attack from RP.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

disagree, the new change has put emphasis on squad sticking together. regrouping fully before moving out, more emphasis on medic and falling back. all good gameplay traits. i rarely have my squad split up, if i do i start kicking.

No it hasn't. Even if you have the most intense, precise squad work ever (as was possible with last patch), SOMEONE is going to die. Its not a question of, its a question of when. Even if you have a medic, its going to happen as long as this is an FPS and you have to kill each other. The difference is now, that the lone guy who may die or half the squad who may die have to now catch up with the other part of the squad who maybe 500-1000M away (Iron Eagle anyone?) cus they have to spawn at a FOB.


You guys keep making blanket statements like "well, don't die" or "well, stick together" when you forget this is an FPS and in FPS's, you try to shoot the other guy and kill him. Someone is going to die, and unless you are the Terminator, its going to be you eventually too.

speaks the truth ^ but you also have the option of: "you know what... we tried and failed lets pull back and re-arm RP and/or regroup with another squad", rather than constant attack from RP.

Yep, and how many times do people honestly fall back when they are in the middle of a battle and being flanked or surrounded? This isn't WW1, you can't always simply fall back behind your perfectly straight line. I mean, I do it when I can, but the problem is it simply isn't possible in 90% of the battles, especially the urban ones where you have to penetrate deep into a city. And reloading the RPs is pretty much comical unless the battle just happens to be next to a FOB. The guy who dies permanently (after the RP has been used) is just better off walking because he will regroup with the squad before they even reload the RP.

[gazzthompson]

No it hasn't. Even if you have the most intense, precise squad work ever (as was possible with last patch), SOMEONE is going to die. Its not a question of, its a question of when. Even if you have a medic, its going to happen as long as this is an FPS and you have to kill each other. The difference is now, that the lone guy who may die or half the squad who may die have to now catch up with the other part of the squad who maybe 500-1000M away (Iron Eagle anyone?) cus they have to spawn at a FOB.


stop putting words in my .. text... Have i stated once that people wont die? people do... alot. thats why we have the RP, fall back and set it.

You guys keep making blanket statements like "well, don't die" or "well, stick together" when you forget this is an FPS and in FPS's, you try to shoot the other guy and kill him. Someone is going to die, and unless you are the Terminator, its going to be you eventually too.



Yep, and how many times do people honestly fall back when they are in the middle of a battle and being flanked or surrounded? This isn't WW1, you can't always simply fall back behind your perfectly straight line. I mean, I do it when I can, but the problem is it simply isn't possible in 90% of the battles, especially the urban ones where you have to penetrate deep into a city. And reloading the RPs is pretty much comical unless the battle just happens to be next to a FOB. The guy who dies permanently (after the RP has been used) is just better off walking because he will regroup with the squad before they even reload the RP.

if my squad takes 3-4 deaths, i tell em to fall back to a position to hold whistle the dead make it to the front via walking, should have FB 500m< if not ur team is failing and ur being punished for it, or helo/apc

What can i say, w'll just have to agree to disagree as i dont have the same problems as you, and it would seem the majority of the people who have voted so far also dont have same problems either.

[CodeRedFox]

Everyone gets to have there say, be it I love the change or I hate the change. The poll is nothing more that, a poll and a place to voice your opinion. You can all debate or argue, as its turn out, until the cows come home. But realize not everyone will agree. Have you say and leave it at that.

We Dev's dont look to polls on the forums for changes. We have a more involved practice which allows changes. We play, we watch, and we wonder around other forums to get a broader view of whats going on.

[gazzthompson]

Yep, so everyone on the team should be punished for one guy's actions right? On Gaza, there is literally one Logistic truck, so the lives of the team are literally in one or two guy's hands. You think that is fair?

well as Gaza is a 1km map, you can access about 40% without a FB anyways.

as for poll, if you include "like it but like previous better" with "hate it" which i wouldnt anyways, it would still be 60-30. the question is do you like the new RP system, of which 80% of the voters do.

[Fuhrious]

well as Gaza is a 1km map, you can access about 40% without a FB anyways.

as for poll, if you include "like it but like previous better" with "hate it" which i wouldn't anyways, it would still be 60-30. the question is do you like the new RP system, of which 80% of the voters do.

lol you two. As they say there are lies, utter lies and statistics. You both seem to be skewing. The essential breakdown would really be do you prefer the new or the old system. The results would be 60-35. Gazz you have loaded this poll by splitting the negative into two categories which makes the affirmative seem more significant than it is (you are stealing tricks from John Howard now that he used to defeat the Australian Republican movement). You have also framed the poll as requiring a negative answer to state a preference for the previous system rather than keeping the choices neutral. Not such a big deal but not surprising given your personal bias.

As I have said previously I would also suggest this could poll could be taken more seriously if there was a breakdown on preferred mode. As a dedicated insurgency mode player I am astonished at how other players of this mode could be happy with the new system. In game I can find very few people who are pleased with it when asking squaddies on voip (not "scientific" like your polling but worthy anecdotal evidence imo). I gather from your posts you play a lot of insurgency so you obviously have a higher tolerance for walking and broken squads than most. In 0.87 one could regularly look at the map and see usually 2 or 3 of the "good squads" cruising around on the map as a single organism. Now it is rare to see this at all beyond the start of game and occasionally a squad that has the (mis)fortune to all die at the same encounter in which case they will respawn together and stay united momentarily. The only reason the bluefor even win maps now is because the cache bar has been so dramatically lowered and many maps they get tanks(s) just to help seal the deal. Surely you cannot argue that Korengal has been ruined by the new system as it's inhospitable terrain now makes the bluefor zerg fob impossible, and no lowering of the cache bar can solve that.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

lol you two. As they say there are lies, utter lies and statistics. You both seem to be skewing. The essential breakdown would really be do you prefer the new or the old system. The results would be 60-35. Gazz you have loaded this poll by splitting the negative into two categories which makes the affirmative seem more significant than it is (you are stealing tricks from John Howard now that he used to defeat the Australian Republican movement). You have also framed the poll as requiring a negative answer to state a preference for the previous system rather than keeping the choices neutral. Not such a big deal but not surprising given your personal bias.

As I have said previously I would also suggest this could poll could be taken more seriously if there was a breakdown on preferred mode. As a dedicated insurgency mode player I am astonished at how other players of this mode could be happy with the new system. In game I can find very few people who are pleased with it when asking squaddies on voip (not "scientific" like your polling but worthy anecdotal evidence imo). I gather from your posts you play a lot of insurgency so you obviously have a higher tolerance for walking and broken squads than most. In 0.87 one could regularly look at the map and see usually 2 or 3 of the "good squads" cruising around on the map as a single organism. Now it is rare to see this at all beyond the start of game and occasionally a squad that has the (mis)fortune to all die at the same encounter in which case they will respawn together and stay united momentarily. The only reason the bluefor even win maps now is because the cache bar has been so dramatically lowered and many maps they get tanks(s) just to help seal the deal. Surely you cannot argue that Korengal has been ruined by the new system as it's inhospitable terrain now makes the bluefor zerg fob impossible, and no lowering of the cache bar can solve that.

Gonna have to agree with this on all counts. The new system works well on some maps when there is a very high level of teamwork, but then fails extremely hard on the very small ones like Gaza and especially insurgency. The reason the old system was so good was because the RP/FOB combo worked well ALL the time, even if your team was not 100% coordinated. You're not going to have high levels of teamwork all the time, but there is generally a lot of teamwork (especially in squads) on most servers, but the new RP/FOB system only works when there is an extremely high level of coordination on the team. At least individual squads worked well when the team didn't as a whole, but now that is broken too, especially squad combat.

It seems the reason why caches go down now are because of 1-2 man squads who dress up in enemy kits and sneak into the cache area. I hardly ever see many large 6 man or 2 full squads take out caches.