Issues with i5-3570k

Post by **rPoXoTauJIo** » 2016-04-06 19:52

One of my clanmates own this cpu, i5-3570k.
Yet i'd expected this one to perform greatly, results are actually unsatisfying, empty gaza in center gives 37 fps, dropping smokes decrease to 30 fps.
That's full specs:

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System Information
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  Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Максимальная  (6.1.7601)
      Architecture: 64-bit
   Current Culture: Russian (Russia)
       Motherboard: ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P8Z77-V LX
         Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz (Physical: 4, Logical: 4)
            Memory: 16,00 GB
      DIMM Modules: ChannelA-DIMM1: 8,00 GB @ 800 MHz
                    ChannelB-DIMM1: 8,00 GB @ 800 MHz
         Page File: 15,95 GB
    .NET Framework: 4.6+ Release Build: 379944, Runtime: 4.0.30319.36264

Display Information
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 Display Device(s): Универсальный монитор PnP on AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
   Display Mode(s): 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) @ 60 Hz
    Driver Version: 15.300.1025.0
    Display Memory: 2,00 GB
     Multisampling: 2, 4, 8
               DPI: 96 (100%)
Audio Information
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  Primary Playback: Наушники (Устройство с поддержк
 Primary Recording: Микрофон (Устройство с поддержк
  Open AL Renderer: Software
               EAX: True
           EAX 1.0: False
           EAX 2.0: True
           EAX 3.0: False
           EAX 4.0: False
           EAX 5.0: False
             X-RAM: False

Disk Information
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      Install Path: C:\games\prchik
                    Free: 92,25 GB, Total: 931,41 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
          Mod Path: C:\games\prchik\mods\pr
                    Free: 92,25 GB, Total: 931,41 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
     Profiles Path: C:\Users\Chuva\Documents\ProjectReality\Profiles
                    Free: 92,25 GB, Total: 931,41 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
    Update DL Path: C:\Users\Chuva\AppData\Local\Project Reality\Project Reality BF2\Downloads
                    Free: 92,25 GB, Total: 931,41 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
   Update Log Path: C:\Users\Chuva\AppData\Local\Project Reality\Project Reality BF2\UpdateLogs
                    Free: 92,25 GB, Total: 931,41 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False

Game Information
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    Installed Mods: pr
       Current Mod: pr
           Version: Standalone - 1.0
        PR Version: 1.3.9.0
          Language: english
   Debug Available: False
     Large Address: True
Supported Hardware: None

Profile Information
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      Profile 0001: KIAChuva
              Type: Online
 Last Used Profile: True
        View Intro: False
        Fullscreen: True
      Display Mode: 1600x1200@60Hz
Display Mode Valid: True
   Graphics Scheme: Custom
     Multisampling: Off
             VSync: True
   Terrain Quality: High
   Effects Quality: High
  Geometry Quality: High
   Texture Quality: Medium
  Lighting Quality: Low
   Dynamic Shadows: Off
    Dynamic Lights: Off
 Texture Filtering: Low
    Audio: Software
    Provider Valid: True
     Audio : High
               EAX: True

Pretty much same, with ~+10 fps increase goes if dropping all settings to low.

For a comparison, another clanmate with not so far better CPU getting 80-90fps with same conditions.

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System Information
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  Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional  (6.1.7601)
      Architecture: 64-bit
   Current Culture: Ukrainian (Ukraine)
       Motherboard: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z97X-Gaming 3
         Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (Physical: 4, Logical: 8)
            Memory: 8,00 GB
      DIMM Modules: ChannelA-DIMM1: 4,00 GB @ 2133 MHz
                    ChannelB-DIMM1: 4,00 GB @ 2133 MHz
         Page File: 7,86 GB
    .NET Framework: 4.5.2, Runtime: 4.0.30319.34209

Display Information
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 Display Device(s): Generic PnP Monitor on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
   Display Mode(s): 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) @ 60 Hz
    Driver Version: 10.18.10.3540
    Display Memory: 2,06 GB
     Multisampling: 2, 4, 8
               DPI: 96 (100%)

Audio Information
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  Primary Playback: Speakers (Realtek High Definiti
 Primary Recording: Microphone (Realtek High Defini
  Open AL Renderer: Software
               EAX: True
           EAX 1.0: False
           EAX 2.0: True
           EAX 3.0: False
           EAX 4.0: False
           EAX 5.0: False
             X-RAM: False

Disk Information
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      Install Path: E:\Games\Project Reality
                    Free: 352,92 GB, Total: 736,20 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
          Mod Path: E:\Games\Project Reality\mods\pr
                    Free: 352,92 GB, Total: 736,20 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
     Profiles Path: C:\Users\Misha\Documents\ProjectReality\Profiles
                    Free: 135,13 GB, Total: 195,31 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
    Update DL Path: C:\Users\Misha\AppData\Local\Project Reality\Project Reality BF2\Downloads
                    Free: 135,13 GB, Total: 195,31 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False
   Update Log Path: C:\Users\Misha\AppData\Local\Project Reality\Project Reality BF2\UpdateLogs
                    Free: 135,13 GB, Total: 195,31 GB, FS: NTFS, SSD: False

Game Information
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    Installed Mods: pr
       Current Mod: pr
           Version: Standalone - 1.0
        PR Version: 1.3.9.0
          Language: english
   Debug Available: False
     Large Address: True
Supported Hardware: None

Profile Information
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      Profile 0001: KIAmehason
              Type: Online
 Last Used Profile: True
        View Intro: True
        Fullscreen: True
      Display Mode: 1920x1080@60Hz
Display Mode Valid: True
   Graphics Scheme: Custom
     Multisampling: 4x
             VSync: False
   Terrain Quality: Low
   Effects Quality: High
  Geometry Quality: Low
   Texture Quality: Low
  Lighting Quality: Low
   Dynamic Shadows: Low
    Dynamic Lights: Low
 Texture Filtering: Low
    Audio Provider: Hardware
    Provider Valid: True
     Audio Quality: High
               EAX: True

What i'm seeking for is players with same CPU, need their performance and specs aswell.

Steeps · Post by **Steeps** » 2016-04-07 17:44

Why does your memory say it's at 800 MHz? Could be your problem.

The specs from mehason show his memory at the correct speed of 2133 MHz.

Post by **rPoXoTauJIo** » 2016-04-09 11:16

Hmmm, thx for advice, i'll check this one

Post by **rPoXoTauJIo** » 2016-04-09 11:49

Yup, seems like memory speed having huge impact on fps.
Another clanmember reported 100 fps, 90 with smokes.
The only major diffirence is memory speed.

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System Information
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  Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 ????????????  (6.1.7601)
      Architecture: 64-bit
   Current Culture: Russian (Russia)
       Motherboard: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z77-DS3H
         Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz (Physical: 4, Logical: 4)
            Memory: 8,00 GB
      DIMM Modules: ChannelB-DIMM0: 4,00 GB @ 1333 MHz
                    ChannelA-DIMM0: 4,00 GB @ 1333 MHz
         Page File: 1022,19 MB
    .NET Framework: 4.6, Runtime: 4.0.30319.42000
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Profile Information
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      Profile 0001: KIARaubt1er
              Type: Online
 Last Used Profile: True
        View Intro: False
        Fullscreen: True
      Display Mode: 1920x1080@75Hz
Display Mode Valid: True
   Graphics Scheme: Custom
     Multisampling: 8x
             VSync: False
   Terrain Quality: Low
   Effects Quality: High
  Geometry Quality: High
   Texture Quality: High
  Lighting Quality: Low
   Dynamic Shadows: Off
    Dynamic Lights: Off
 Texture Filtering: High
    Audio Provider: Software
    Provider Valid: True
     Audio Quality: High
               EAX: True

Steeps · Post by **Steeps** » 2016-04-10 03:00

800 MHz just seemed abnormally slow for memory paired with a Core i5 processor. Maybe check the settings in your BIOS related to memory clock speeds.

Michael Z Freeman · Post by **Michael Z Freeman** » 2016-04-26 10:52

As always have to take into account entire system, but your 3570 even though it looks "fast" is older architecture Ivy Bridge. My 4690 is Haswell. The architecture makes a big difference as it is that that determines Instructions per Cycle (IPC), this is between each cycle of what ever Gigahertz speed is cited. So even processors that look "powerful" with their cited Gigahertz - even with Turbo Boost - they can be substantially slower if they are an older architecture.

"This is very important for gaming processors. In almost every single game where performance is affected by the CPU, what always gives better performance is high IPC with speedy cores."- https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comme ... han_intel/

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2016-04-26 12:06

Its still low for that CPU. Increasing DRAM clock in UEFI/BIOS should fix it as stated above.

Which RAM sticks hes got? Specs? 800Mhz is DDR2 and some old ancient DDR3.

From https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8Z77 ... fications/

It supports up to 2400 but OC. Standard is 1600 which is 800 Mhz. Dont confuse advertisement trick with actual Mhz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM

But I think diagnostics is showing MT/s not bus clock, so his RAM runs at 800 MT/s or 400 Mhz which would be DDR3800. Really need to look into bios and change this if the RAM is faster. If not UPGRADE.

Steeps · Post by **Steeps** » 2016-04-27 12:14

DJ Barney wrote:As always have to take into account entire system, but your 3570 even though it looks "fast" is older architecture Ivy Bridge. My 4690 is Haswell. The architecture makes a big difference as it is that that determines Instructions per Cycle (IPC), this is between each cycle of what ever Gigahertz speed is cited. So even processors that look "powerful" with their cited Gigahertz - even with Turbo Boost - they can be substantially slower if they are an older architecture.

"This is very important for gaming processors. In almost every single game where performance is affected by the CPU, what always gives better performance is high IPC with speedy cores."- https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comme ... han_intel/

Completely irrelevant and doesn't add anything to help. My Core i5-2500k with GPU runs PR at 100+ fps without dips.

Post by **Chuva_RD** » 2016-04-27 19:07

Thanks for this thread, I switched frequency on memory from 800mhz to limit which is 1333mhz. FPS drop by smoke decreased but still in action I get constant fall to 40+ fps when quickly looking around.

MaSSive · Post by **MaSSive** » 2016-04-28 06:20

Upgrade time. Buy faster RAM and while there SSD. Jump to 100fps instantly.

Also defrag, since you use HDD and reduce page file, reset it and set to system managed. Turn off backgoud apps you dont use.

Steeps · Post by **Steeps** » 2016-04-28 11:17

I recently went from 1333 to 2133 (fastest Sandy Bridge supports), I should test if it makes a difference.

PLODDITHANLEY · Post by **PLODDITHANLEY** » 2016-04-29 06:29

I'm 2500k @4.3 with 2 X 4GB @ 1866 & SSD I haven't noticed any slowdowns.