[Faction Concept] Serbian Armed Forces

[SergioSA]

Hello, a couple of friends and i decided to create a new faction - Serbian Army.
We are going to re-model some existing mods, and create new aswell.
We are already working on a map.
Serbian army will be bluefor on 1 map, and opfor on 1.
Lets get into it:

Serbian Army

1. Infantry, and uniforms:

M10 uniform, standard camo uniform of the Serbian Army.

2. Hanguns:

Zastava CZ99 pistol, 9mm caliber. Standard handgun in the Army.

3. Tank crew SMG:

Zastava M84 Skorpion. (In game Skorpion will be remodeled)

4. Infantry SMG:

Heckler & Koch MP5 (In game MP5 will be modified).

5. Standard Infantry Weapon:

Zastava M-70 (7.62x39mm). (Probabbly will be made from scratch)

6. New Infantry Rifle:

Zastava M21 (5.56mm) (From scratch aswell) (More valuable kits will have it like SquadLead)

7. Sniper Rifle:

Zastava M91 (Remodeled version of Dragunov)

8. Automatic Rifleman:

Zastava M72 (New RPK)

9. Machine Gun:

Zastava M84, (Its the same as the PKM)

10. HMG (Will be attached on armored vehicles):

Zastava M02 Coyote (M87) (Same as the NSV)

11. TOW:

Russian 9K111 Fagot.

12. AA:
We will use the standard AA that's already in PR.

13. AT Weapon:

M-80 Zolja (Remodeled M72 LAW)

14. Trans Helicopters:

Both Mi-8, and Mi-17, (We will remodel the ingame one)

15. Light Attack, and light trans:

SA 341 Gazelle.

16. Jets:

MiG 29 (We will remodel the existing one)

17. Jeeps:



We are not sure what to use, but we will make all of these, and we will see... (Puch, Land Rover, and Uaz)

18. Trans truck & logi:


We are not sure about this, TAM 150, and FAP 2026. (We will see what is better) Serbian Army also uses the URAL trucks, so we can just use those existing ones.

19. Tanks:

Main Battle Tank, Serbian, improved version of the T-72. &

Serbia has some original T-72s, and they are buying additional 30 T-72S from Russia.

20. APC + IFV + LIGHT APC + AT Vehicle:

BVP M80(A). This one will be used as the IFV (With malyutkas), and as APC (Without malyutkas).

MTLB, light APC.

BRDM-2.

BOV-1 Tank Hunter (Malyutkas)

21. Mortar:

120mm mortar.

22. Armored Jeep:

BOV M16 MILOSH.

Basic stuff that we will be working on. (This post will be edited later on).
DO NOT EXPECT THIS TO BE DONE SOON, WE ARE STARTING TO WORK ON IT.

[rPoXoTauJIo]

Hmmmm, not seeing any artillery led by god
Do you have any maps being started nor planned? They're usually quite an issue for comfactions.

[Hokunin]

Mig29 and Mi8 by "remodel" you mean retexture? Or will you actually remodel 3d model?

[anantdeathhawk]

Mig-21?

[VTRaptor]

Create design plan for this. It'd be nice to have another opfor(?) faction.

Also, don't forget to put radio in your vehicles, so we can listen to some propper music
@edit You should check the link below, although these assets were stolen (from OPK i think), you could perhaps try asking nicely.
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f388-p ... -army.html

[SergioSA]

We started working on 1 map, and we have 2 planned.


We will probabbly just re-texture the existing ones, because they are almost the same as those that Serbian Army has. (Russian MIG 29 Fulcrum and Mi8 hipc in the game).


MiG 21 isnt planned, because we are going to create only MiG 29s, and maybe later on, light bombers "J-22 Orao".


We're going to try to make them by ourselves, and if we need some help, we can maybe ask them. (Their textures look too dark, dunno why.)

(Sorry, my quote option is bugged)

[InfantryGamer42]

1st post (don't have to quote the whole thing, makes it harder to read thread)

Nice to see somebody working on SAF. I would like to help you,but I dont have any moding experience(i had some fun whit BF42 map editor). Still I think I can give you some info about SAF.

I like your idea for guns,but Im not sure that M21 is in large scale use. Last time I heard checked It was planed to sell the,, because lack of 5.56mm ammunition. Other gunes are used and there should fit nicely in game.
You sould think about geting M79 Osa AT rocket, for SAF HAT kit(you could use Russian HAT as placeholder).
To be honest I think you should go for Land Rover(we already have them in game). SAF and old JNA was never big user of Russian jeeps and i dont think you should waist your resoure on Puch.For trucks you should use FAP as its replacing TAMs in servise. Again SAF doesnt use URALs,but you could use it as placeholder.
For IFV and APC you made so mistakes. I never heard of BVP M-80 whitout ATGM,but if you think that would be better then do it. MTLB is not used as APC,it used in command role only. Also you should look in macking holl BOV family(not only BOV-1,but also BOV-3 and BOV M-16). Also you should know that M-53 Praga is back in use since last year.
Also I dont think you should rush in making Milosh,but instad use Hummwes for start as armoured jeep.

To you and your team I wish good luck and I hope we will see SAF in PR ?

[InfantryGamer42]

Mig-21?

There are right now only 3 MiG-21UM in use. All other MiG-21 are retired.

[SergioSA]

Nice to see somebody working on SAF. I would like to help you,but I dont have any moding experience(i had some fun whit BF42 map editor). Still I think I can give you some info about SAF.

I like your idea for guns,but Im not sure that M21 is in large scale use. Last time I heard checked It was planed to sell the,, because lack of 5.56mm ammunition. Other gunes are used and there should fit nicely in game.
You sould think about geting M79 Osa AT rocket, for SAF HAT kit(you could use Russian HAT as placeholder).
To be honest I think you should go for Land Rover(we already have them in game). SAF and old JNA was never big user of Russian jeeps and i dont think you should waist your resoure on Puch.For trucks you should use FAP as its replacing TAMs in servise. Again SAF doesnt use URALs,but you could use it as placeholder.
For IFV and APC you made so mistakes. I never heard of BVP M-80 whitout ATGM,but if you think that would be better then do it. MTLB is not used as APC,it used in command role only. Also you should look in macking holl BOV family(not only BOV-1,but also BOV-3 and BOV M-16). Also you should know that M-53 Praga is back in use since last year.
Also I dont think you should rush in making Milosh,but instad use Hummwes for start as armoured jeep.

To you and your team I wish good luck and I hope we will see SAF in PR ?

M21 wont be in large scale use. Special kits will have it only. M79 OSA will be probabbly the HAT kit, but we dont know yet.

We will try to create all of them, Land Rover, Uaz, and Puch, and we will see what looks the best.

Actually, there are a few versions of BVP M80 without Malyutkas, but that was only idea. We will try to model "LAZAR APC", with 30mm, and 12.7mm, and we can maybe use it as a medium apc, like American Stryker, or LAV 25.

We will model "MILOSH" 100%.

We dont really need BOV apcs, we will only need that one with malyutkas, the Tank Hunter.

[simeon5541]

Couple of things. Don't even bother with m21. In hypothetical large scale, even minor, conflict including saf, you would see 99 percent of troops equipped with m70 with metal foldable stock. M70 could be made out of current akm seen in game, same as they did to make Romanian and Chinese clones for unconventional factions. Also, zastava's svd clone is used in very limited numbers. You would need m76 for Marksman kit. Zolja is main at weapon in sa. Regular army don't use mp5.

[RatnikVS]

Im glad to see someone working on SA faction, keep it up!, i hope i will see the faction in game in near future.

[Heavy Death]

Nice idea, I mean, even just retexturing some stuff and using placeholder models could have this ready for action real soon.

[GAJAN]

Possibly you can model Miloš from Gaz-tigr which is in game right now.

[LEGIYA]

Please dont make this.Milosh and Lazar are not in active service yet and its still a question will it be in active service therefore there is nothing modern like.This will be just another MEC type faction.

Its better to make Kosovo type scenario.
KLA terrorists something like Syrian rebels and regular Yugoslav army.
KLA terrorists have weapons such as rpg-s,AK.
Some jeeps and thats it.

Yugoslav army:
T72
Pragas
BVP-s
The quad gun BOV
etc..
Maybe add the Hind for the hell of it.(Since they were used)

It would be more historycal and fun.
But thats my opinion.

[GAJAN]

Please dont make this.Milosh and Lazar are not in active service yet and its still a question will it be in active service therefore there is nothing modern like.This will be just another MEC type faction.

Its better to make Kosovo type scenario.
KLA terrorists something like Syrian rebels and regular Yugoslav army.
KLA terrorists have weapons such as rpg-s,AK.
Some jeeps and thats it.

Yugoslav army:
T72
Pragas
BVP-s
The quad gun BOV
etc..
Maybe add the Hind for the hell of it.(Since they were used)

It would be more historycal and fun.
But thats my opinion.

Anyway you first need permission from admins 'cause PR (someone said) is happening in between 90s and 2010. But for this what are you making development must so many modern assets etc.

[InfantryGamer42]

Please dont make this.Milosh and Lazar are not in active service yet and its still a question will it be in active service therefore there is nothing modern like.This will be just another MEC type faction.

First, few Lazar 3 are order by army, and there are needs for around 200 ths vehicles. I dont know about Milosh, but I think that is done thing also. So, Serbian army will definetly bring a lot of modern things in play.

Its better to make Kosovo type scenario.
KLA terrorists something like Syrian rebels and regular Yugoslav army.
KLA terrorists have weapons such as rpg-s,AK.
Some jeeps and thats it.
Yugoslav army:
T72
Pragas
BVP-s
The quad gun BOV
etc..
Maybe add the Hind for the hell of it.(Since they were used)
It would be more historycal and fun.
But thats my opinion.

You first say, dont make faction like MEC, then you say lets make two factions (one like MEC,other like Militia) set in 1999. Thats not good idea, because thats pretty much making two copy factions which could not fight any other faction in game and would not bring anything new to the game.

Whit modern Serbian faction, we would get few new thing, speacilly now vehicles, INF weapons we already have in game.
So, in my opinion, its much better to make SAF, then Yugoslav army from 99, because first would give more to do game and it would be much better REDFOR faction compared to Yugoslav army.

[InfantryGamer42]

Anyway you first need permission from admins 'cause PR (someone said) is happening in between 90s and 2010. But for this what are you making development must so many modern assets etc.

And than we get 2018 Polish factions. It sounds to my we have Polish bias.

[Suchar]

And than we get 2018 Polish factions. It sounds to my we have Polish bias.

IRL, Polish Army has almost nothing modern at the moment. Maybe except our new rifle MSBS but it isn't in full service yet and we don't have it in-game... I really don't know what you are talking about.
All our stuff is either modernized soviet stuff or something made in early 2000's AFAIK.

[InfantryGamer42]

IRL, Polish Army has almost nothing modern at the moment. Maybe except our new rifle MSBS but it isn't in full service yet and we don't have it in-game... I really don't know what you are talking about.
All our stuff is either modernized soviet stuff or something made in early 2000's AFAIK.

My mistake. I thought Rosomak was put in service after 2010.

[PatrickLA_CA]

My mistake. I thought Rosomak was put in service after 2010.

Even if it was put after 2010, it is IN service now which makes it eligible to use in PR. Most of the modern stuff that you've suggested for the Serbian faction might or might not be in use in the near future. Why don't you go with the stuff that is already in use?