=HOG=Hardcore Gaming *Official Feedback Thread*

[RaNa-Rocxs]

Admins like this reflect badly on your server.

Harassing people on the PR discord and attacking others that I know of via PM.


This is no way to properly respond to an admin report.


If you want to compare to real life HR situations, they would be stripped of power, suspended with no pay pending investigation.

why all of us want to completely fucked this game? @Hag admins I am agree with mectus11 as a admin this not any way to act with that people who are not following rules for purpose give them 1 or 2 temporary ban and after if they are not following your rules just permanent Ban them, we really no need to harass any one. @mectus11 check your designation and please try to make peoples cool.

@all keep in mind this is only a game please do not take anything personally..

[CAS_ual_TY]

This is only gaem
Why u hef to be mad

[RaNa-Rocxs]

This is only gaem
Why u hef to be mad

hey kid how is mad here?

[lespyd]

Sorry we were unable to provide you a free private server for you in time and that we inconvenienced you. I would recommend the paid server plan which has guaranteed SLAs. Requesting forum mods to clean/lock/infract this thread as it seems to be digress from the guidelines and rules posted in the sticky. We do not engage nor care for your drama, brigading, or memes


Players may comment on anything related to the server: Rules, Administration Practices, Admin presence, Balance, Map choices and so on. (Keep in mind: Ban appeals and extended discussions of single cases will still not be allowed, take it to the server's forums!)

Admins may take this feedback to improve themselves and reply as they see fit (of course within the forum rules). Admins have the last word on what happens on their server, they have no obligation to follow player demands in the feedback thread.

Here are some rough guidelines for everyone to orientate themselves:

Good to go as feedback
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion of Server's rules
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion of the server administration practice
--- This includes: Maps, Balance, Warning/Kicking/Banning practice, Ping, Uptime, Admin Presence, ...
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion on specific personal experiences

Not acceptable as feedback
- Both whining & fanboyism, we aim for constructive feedback
- Escalation (this includes brigading & clan/community drama as well as personal conflicts between individuals)
- Extended discussion of individual cases, specifically bans
In short: Anything that goes against the PR Forum Rules (as in: be civil, bring sources, don't spam, stay on topic...)

Please understand that if you break the forum rules, or if you go against the above guidelines we will give you infraction points immediately. The primary concern of Forum Moderation in this section is to keep discussions civil and constructive. And we will enforce it. Feel free to use the report function if you see any posts/discussions that violate the forum rules.
It is however always at the disretion of the PR Moderation/DEV team to decide what counts as valid feedback and what does not.

[Bastiannn]

How can someone praise or criticise something if they are not allowed to discuss it anything more than surface level?
Not even surface level, as from my understanding of what you wrote the mention of any detail of an appeal/report/other administrative thread made on HOG and handled by HOG is considered "not valid feedback" because it goes into "extensive" discussion of said thread.

[mectus11]

I don't see how showing you how your admins act towards the community with such hate and abuse is drama or memes. How is there any brigading going on when every post here has been from different people in different communities?

Like what? I'm bewildered on how you drew that conclusion.

[lespyd]

Wow you just made me laugh, but why dont you have a look at PRTAs shoutbox and your own posts on their forums. Great example of what a mature community looks like/ I'm not going to single out people because its against this forums rules. Or would you rather me post screenshots of PRTA admins/units wanting to DDOS our server? As this is digressing from feedback, I will no longer be replying here as I try to follow the rules here, but feel free to continue to sell your story.

Edit: Oh now, you removed your edit about how PRTA is an example of a great community that improved and removed toxic people.

[lakinen]

There is no need for such attacks on administration of HOG.
RaNa-Rocxs wrote it nicely"why all of us want to completely fucked this game?"

-How many times have I witnessed of r-cons,r-devs,ff....take free kits,lock sq....Then it happens to admin kick and drama ensues.
-How many times it happened that they kick me,and if I was right.I'm freaking out,and after a few minutes I log in again and continue playing.
-In the end,everyone has the right to choose the server on which to play.
-And the admins as I know have the right to play so mistakes happen.

"The Show Must Go On"-(Queen song)-for the benefit of players


greeting

There's no real flame on your screen, it's just magic

[mectus11]

Wow you just made me laugh, but why dont you have a look at PRTAs shoutbox and your own posts on their forums. Great example of what a mature community looks like/ I'm not going to single out people because its against this forums rules. Or would you rather me post screenshots of PRTA admins/units wanting to DDOS our server? As this is digressing from feedback, I will no longer be replying here as I try to follow the rules here, but feel free to continue to sell your story.

Edit: Oh now, you removed your edit about how PRTA is an example of a great community that improved and removed toxic people.

I removed the edit because I realized it wasn't worth it in the end because HOG will always does what it does best, pretend to be victimized and think that everyone is out to get them.

I'll repeat what I edited out, PRTA had a bunch of controversy few years ago and managed to rid themselves of toxic elements and are now the go to community because they took an approach of being open to criticism and feedback.
PRTA is the prime example of how they turned it around after all the negative controversy they've had.

It's not my position to tell you what to do with those screenshots, you're free to report that kind of behavior to the developers and they will deal with it.

I still don't see how it's not feedback to show you the actions of the admins on your server that are the result of this criticism. Completely shutting down and refusing criticism is not a mature way to handle things.

Let's not forget today's debacle for an event that your community agreed to provide a server for, not only did you disclose that you forgot about it a 2 or 3 hours before the event started but there was no action to convert your empty server just for 2 hours to host that event.
Now you say things like "Or would you rather me post screenshots of PRTA admins/units wanting to DDOS our server?" I have to wonder if this was intentional or just an honest accident.

[CheeseToast]

Wow you just made me laugh, but why dont you have a look at PRTAs shoutbox and your own posts on their forums. Great example of what a mature community looks like/ I'm not going to single out people because its against this forums rules. Or would you rather me post screenshots of PRTA admins/units wanting to DDOS our server? As this is digressing from feedback, I will no longer be replying here as I try to follow the rules here, but feel free to continue to sell your story.

Edit: Oh now, you removed your edit about how PRTA is an example of a great community that improved and removed toxic people.

Yeah cause a shoutbox containing friends sharing friendly banter is the exact same thing as Literally calling your playerbase retarded. Excellent argument.

[lespyd]

I'll say this one last time, either report admins breaking HOG rules and/or abusing their privileges on our server, which we will deal with and have dealt with, or provide feedback pursuant to the guidelines of this forum as it pertains to our public server. As to what people say outside of our HOG community, we cannot nor want to control that. People have their personal opinions, including yourself. Some people are more hot-headed, including yourself, and that's okay. The public PR discord channel is NOT HOG server feedback or communication. I can't speak for the PR discord, as I do not manage that; but I would imagine should you want to bring complaints of this user and how they handle themselves, do so on general forums, not server feedback and I believe the process is the PR discord moderators will decide how to handle it. (i.e. Is he being a **** enough where he needs a time out, NOT is he, someone who happens to have admin rights on HOG which is irrelevant, being a **** enough where he needs a time out)

You have personally admitted you have a problem with this person in particular and thus have been gunning after this person. YOU using this forum and this server feedback as a medium to do it is not only against the guidelines of this forum, verbatim: personal conflicts between individuals, but is misplaced. My final response. Thanks for your non-feedback (and others above this post); it has been noted and we shall follow the guidelines posted as a sticky on this forum accordingly. I defer you to the PR:BF2 Support or General Discussions forums. In particular, I suggest you read this stickied post that an old developer spent 45 minutes writing (the moderation part is more relevant, but the whole post for everyone is pretty good). It's well written: https://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62627

[mectus11]

I've never talked to that individual or even had an issue with him, I didn't know who he was until I saw his behavior in public then a quick glance at your forums showed the behavior of your admins and lead admins by telling people to straight up "shut the fuck up", the only issue I have is the lack of acceptance of criticism on your community and going by this thread, I'm clearly not the only one that thinks so.

In my view point, if an admin of your server is out in public harassing people then that to me shows that you enable this kind of behavior with inaction to take any measures to punish individuals that act like this. I have merely provided feedback that shows the disdain your community has towards players that disagree with the current status quo.

If you consider criticism non-feedback then all we can do is just to agree to disagree.

Good to go as feedback
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion of Server's rules
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion of the server administration practice
--- This includes: Maps, Balance, Warning/Kicking/Banning practice, Ping, Uptime, Admin Presence, ...
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion on specific personal experiences

Not acceptable as feedback
- Both whining & fanboyism, we aim for constructive feedback
- Escalation (this includes brigading & clan/community drama as well as personal conflicts between individuals)
- Extended discussion of individual cases, specifically bans
In short: Anything that goes against the PR Forum Rules (as in: be civil, bring sources, don't spam, stay on topic...)

As far as I checked from my own posts, I did not target specific people but showed the general practice of your admins and their behavior towards people.

I have not discussed individual cases nor am I posting mindless whining or fanboyism.

[lespyd]

It boggles my mind that you think HOG mixed maps feedback thread is appropriate to air your grievances in regards to a private server that we were willing to donate? Sorry we don't get paid to do this as our full time jobs. Things happen, we already apologized and informed the organizers that we couldn't set it up on time. If you expect us to have an uptime of 100% and cater to all your needs, I'm afraid that is not possible. Please ask another server for a free match server or pay for your own if you want this level of guaranteed service. Or feel free to leave it as feedback, so other event organizers can judge whether or not they want us to host a free serverfor their scrimmages, that's totally fine and within your rights; But if you want to use this as a means to highlight what our community is doing is "hurting" the greater PR community, I honestly don't understand. Or do you mean it's hurting you and your friends? We're trying our best to provide a place for people to game, in a way that players on the opposite of the world of you appreciate.

Here's a scenario, a town community pool (HOG) said it will provide free sunscreen (PR match server) for its residents. Unfortunately, one weekend, they ran out of free sunscreen (PR match server). That may have ruined your day of swimming (scrimmage), and the town apologizes. You now go to the community board, and complain that someone should be liable and that what happened was a disservice ("damages"????) to the community at large?

Differing logic I guess - no need to refute or argue this. I'm merely presenting a scenario that I think is corollary. If you disagree, Sorry you feel that way.

In general, it seems like you are trying to find things to complain about, instead of constructive feedback. Quoting "Who cares about the players and their experience, right?" in every one of your recent posts, is NOT constructive feedback. You are a minority of our (NA) active player base, and while we do our best, we cannot please everyone, nor agree with everyone. If you want this community to come together, perhaps it would be prudent to step back a sec and consider other players outside your direct circle. Based on your latest "feedback", I don't believe that you want our server "full 24/7"; I'm more likely to believe you just want our server gone and other servers full 24/7. If your intentions are true, great, but that is not what comes off from your latest posts. It's a two way street.

Thanks for your feedback. It's been noted, and I respect your opinions, and I hope you respect mine. Disagreements are okay.

[Outlawz7]

Khami Alt, before 1500 PRT, no admins so next map went to Sbeneh skirmish with full server

[PBAsydney]

56 maps to choose from and Muttrah and Ia Drang is in 2/3 of every map vote on HOG when AAS wins. Pls be more original.

[Danesh_italiano]

56 maps to choose from and Muttrah and Ia Drang is in 2/3 of every map vote on HOG when AAS wins. Pls be more original.

3 Years ago hog used to play ONLY Muttrah, Fallujah, Ia Drang, Dovre, Marlin, kashan, khamy > server crash > same maps again but different order...

Even got perm ban at that time for beaching about it...

This is how things works on HOG: You dont complain and you dont break rules or you will get ban. Learned that and when they start repeating maps, i just press Alt + F4 and problem solved!

[PBAsydney]

Shaniqua gets thumbs up from me. He actually listened to my drunk *** explaining we had 2k only votes for like 6 rounds in a row and he set a mixed 2k/4k mapvote finally. Managed to play some delicious Shijia.

[BETALPyDuW]

admins! on this server admins NAGLOUS AND ROUGH you will not play here! They Ban For Any Trifle !!!!!