=HOG=Hardcore Gaming *Official Feedback Thread*

[Bastiannn]

Love it when theres an AAS vs INS vote, AAS wins so the immediate logical action of admins is to put 2 AAS maps vs 1 INS map in the vote. Guess what wins?
At least put good infantry maps that are good for INS aswell, not trash like Lashkar.

[lespyd]

That is against our procedures, it should have been 3 AAS maps in the follow-up vote. The admin has been spoken to.

[i90r]

I was playing with more than 80 people in Archer, and after 20 minutes server crashed. After that server was back with Asad and 40 players. Around 20 minutes of play the same situatuion. This was the only english speaking server up, now is empty. I was enjoing my time there, but I'm so dissapointed that I don't even want to start next round. Can You do anything with this in close future?

[getebe]

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[R1ghty]

I only play on HOG. I refuse to play on other servers based on how the players and admins act. I am not alone, many people would rather seed HOG with 6 players for a few hours than to join another server.

ALL these people complaining that its not "fair" that hog is full with no admins... what king - snip - are you? It's not fair?!? Do you want a participation ribbon? Maybe if you had the decency to seed your own damn server you might have people playing with you.

It's pretty sad that people would rather play what you describe as a "Complete shitfest" than seed with you.

It's also sad that you don't have the smarts to leave what you describe as a "Complete shitfest" and play on a server with admins.

Lets not make any changes or be part of the solution, lets just post nasty reviews while still playing on the server we hate so much. Genius!



I find it even sadder that the DEVS have implemented this shutdown rule. Talking about killing PR? I think they finally found the silver bullet.

User infracted for flaming/insulting - Nate

[Bastiannn]

Here I see everyone complaining about the server, but I wonder how many of you have ever made a report against that person who is hacking, teamkilling, etc? NONE. You have an exclusive section for that in the forum https://hogclangaming.com/index.php/for ... ou?start=0

You report when your ego is affected, but how the fuck do you want the server to improve if you don't do your own work? Go fuck yourself. And don't come up with the excuse that administrators are for that, because a server is made by an entire community.

First, you are ignorant by assuming that everything that might happen regarding player reports and server administration is on public forums (which isn't, lots of it is private). If you would pay any attention you would know the most active forum of HOG is the ban appeal one (I wonder why) and the reports one is miles behind to other communities.

Second, if you were an active admin or representing any community you would know the first point is backed up by a lot of stuff going behind the scenes, but you aren't, so you don't know, yet you make these statements which are false and would otherwise pass as valid feedback to others reading, which is disconnected and disingenuous af.

Third, you bring up the amount of complaints and question how much stuff people actually report, which if you would compare it to your dear server HOG is at the very least laughable; lets throwback to a post a couple of months ago, of someone named Suchar, who happens to be a senior figure in another community, and as such his posts are actually credible, unlike yours, and lets see how much people from different communities report stuff, since this is one of the clear-cut statistics out there.



So it looks like PRTA has been the only community with (multiple, different) people dedicating time actively reviewing, submitting and reporting people who cheat and grief, yet you make out HOG to be the victim of what, people falsely providing negative feedback without contributing themselves? HOG who has only been involved in reporting one player griefing in around a year, and one or two players who have been banned for cheating on their server, for evidence which is deemed dodgy at best by any decently skilled and involved player in this community? Yet, I still have to mention Lespyd as the only decent human being with some common sense in the senior administration of this community, who showed more interest than his colleagues ever did in the past couple of years. If it wasn't for the amount of negative feedback in the past, he might've never been promoted.

Fourth, since your community experience doesn't help you, your admin one might help you. But since to my knowledge you aren't/weren't an admin on HOG, how would you know of any reports submitted in game or on server administration discord or through other private means by people providing feedback and their outcomes? How are you even capable to judge the people reporting this stuff and the validity of their arguments if you present yourself as such a silly person with zero credibility? Even if you somehow turn out to be an admin, and I failed to acknowledge you, do you realise how oblivious you are if you still think that given the things you are supposed to know? Do you realise that this is also a valid thread to provide certain "reports" to some degree?"

Fifth and last, taking all the previous points in consideration, its fucking funny how you think people providing feedback here haven't put in any effort into contributing themselves. Clueless.

For many years, PR = HOG. Accept it. And sadly, we are KILLING the small community of this game without the server to play. So, is that what are you looking for with your envy and ego? We are not going to play on a server with 300 ping... I honestly must say that I'm playing other games just because HOG is empty. And you should do the same if your shitty server doesn't have more than 5 players.

Bye, hypocrites.

For many years, PR = HOG when it comes to NORTH AMERICAN TIMEZONE. And look at the NA timezone compared to the EU timezone. NA is f a k i n g dead compared to the EU one. Lets say thanks for that to the only server representing that timezone for english speaking users (HOG)! I actually thank you for pointing that out, thats like, your first and last contribution to this thread.
Otherwise, PR in EU timezone in the last few years has also been PRTA and SSG, who have been a good enough contrast to this server and many of its members to shape up a complete image of state of communities in PR.

I only play on HOG. I refuse to play on other servers based on how the players and admins act. I am not alone, many people would rather seed HOG with 6 players for a few hours than to join another server.

Congrats! You are one of a kind! Well, no, not exactly.
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User infracted for flaming/insulting - Nate

ALL these people complaining that its not "fair" that hog is full with no admins... what king of self entitled fucks are you? It's not fair?!? Do you want a participation ribbon? Maybe if you had the decency to seed your own damn server you might have people playing with you.

It's pretty sad that people would rather play what you describe as a "Complete shitfest" than seed with you.

It's also sad that you don't have the smarts to leave what you describe as a "Complete shitfest" and play on a server with admins.

Lets not make any changes or be part of the solution, lets just post nasty reviews while still playing on the server we hate so much. Genius!



I find it even sadder that the DEVS have implemented this shutdown rule. Talking about killing PR? I think they finally found the silver bullet.

Well, this might be the most concerning part of your post, since you are a HOG admin.
You fail to recognise how a full or half-full server left unadminned affects the community, the community from 1 or 2 years ago when the rule was introduced, or the community from today.
You fail to recognise the judgement behind the rule implemented by the devs, which just shows how unconnected to the reality of server administration you are.
You fail to recognise the amount of times HOG has been left unadminned on a FULL server in comparison to its competitors (thank god the script has been implemented after so long and no punishment).
You fail to recognise the state of the playerbase and the fact that, as I previously stated, the majority would join any server regardless of its name simply because it has highest number of players and they want to play the game itself regardless of the state of that communities administration. And because the transition from a highly-populated server to an admined server is slow and kills the momentum of the day, and is simply a waste of time.
You also discard most feedback posts here, labeling them as simply "nasty" as if the arguments behind them weren't valid, while pointing out that what, we shouldn't play on the server that is up at the time we want to play the game? That the posts aren't valid because we still play? Just further evidence of how disconnected you are from the reality of this community, from its players to the senior figures of server administration.


For you and the guy above, who label the posts as nasty, unjustified, false, unwarranted from supposedly effortless people read the last dozen pages of this thread then tell me with a straight face you still believe that.

The only thing you should find sadder when it comes to the DEVS, is the one or two DEVS who have been in charge of the license for a long time, who have, by their inaction, allowed you, and others like you, have have a constant say in this community.

[Nate.]

Alright, end of discussion. These feedback forums are not the place for it.

HOG/SSG/PRTA admins have appropriate channels to discuss issues between the servers and with the PR-Team.

[Danielj15]

Alright, end of discussion. HOG/SSG/PRTA admins have appropriate channels to discuss these issues between the servers and with the PR-Team. These feedback forums are not the place for it, Bastiann.

Bastiann is not a PRTA, SSG or a HOG admin

[Nate.]

Sorry if my post came across like I was suggesting he was.

[Tony_AbbottPBUH]

Shutting the server down in the time gap between N/A based admins going to sleep and AU/JPN based admins coming home from work/school is literally ruining the game for AU/JPN based players.

AU/JPN based players don't have any affiliation with HOG, it's just the only server with a playable ping for us. If we had a big enough player base to run our own server we would.

If we finish work/school and get home (at say 6pm Sydney time/8am GMT) and HOG isn't populated because it had to be shut down a few hours earlier (say 2am New York time/6am GMT) we don't go to SSG or PRTA, because the ping is like 350ms. We just find something else to do, some other game. Or do something productive with our lives.

Obviously no one expects N/A based admins to stay awake until 4am just in case some Australians might want to play later, even though we appreciate that they often try to do this so they can avoid shutting the server before we get there.

What if the server just had an automatic shut down at a certain time (like 12 or 2pm GMT) instead of manual shut down? This way the server doesn't stay full during european prime time and PRTA/SSG seeders don't waste their time waiting to fill the server while HOG just continues full with no admins.


Imagine shutting the only active server (for that 6 hr asia pacific window) of a dying game because an admin was 30 minutes too slow dropping everything to take over babysitting some ungrateful nerds? Because that is what happens now unless some poor canadian stays away until like 4am on a work day.

It's all well and good to expect admins to be available at all times when you have several hundred regular players in your time zone. There are always going to be some admins online then. Our time zone has 50 players max most nights, so there are obviously going to be fewer admins, and sometimes they won't be online straight away.

We just want to play our shitty games of 20 v 20 insurgency and vehicle warfare in peace without logging on to see empty server lists. There aren't enough of us to seed a server from 0. We already have to wait for weekends or days off to play any maps bigger than 2km why are the devs punishing us more?

[pwner_pt]

Just look at the numbers.

Its a fact that the numbers of people playing this game even drop more since the introduction of the new shut-down rule.

This rule probably might have introduced benevolently (probaly not), but its working in the opposite way.

Stop killing the game with it.

[LiamBai]

Had this rule existed 2-3 years ago when people starting saying this was a problem, perhaps we'd still have a server in West US/East Asia/Aus to fill the need.

It's hardly surprising that after years and years of slowly killing the game for multiple geographic regions, when a new rule comes in with no other server to pick up the slack that this happens. Blaming it on this rule is mind bogglingly short-sighted, and merely an attempt at shifting the blame.

[pwner_pt]

Numbers don't lie.

[Rabbit]

Numbers don't lie.

Correlation does not equate to causation. Down ticks in numbers have been going down all ready, also any number of other reasons to increase the rate that we lose players. Could say its squad releases or other new games, could be broken flairs, could be the bad armor and anti-armor changes that were made, could be the long period between releases. Could be any number of reasons.

Hell I could say Trump becoming president is the reason and show some numbers.

[Nate.]

Before it gets too philosophical about PR player numbers, the next posts shall not be about them

fyi, the PR team are aware of the issues caused by a very strict shut-off rule, as HOG probably spans over the most timezones. We are open for HOG to take any combination of measures that achieve a good outcome both for administration of the server, but also the needs of the timezones suffering most from the current "strict" enforcement.

[WeedT0aster1]

Just recruit more admins from the JP/AUS/EU time zones like other servers did and still trying to do, I know a couple of good Australian players that suits being admins on HOG, maybe

[lespyd]

If you want to have a go at this, as you clearly seem to be bothered by this, let me start to say maybe you should allow yourself a break if this stresses you out so much.

"I literally sat around reporting a group of non-English speaking players stealing our APC's on Grozny and it took 10+ properly done !rp's."

1) Spamming reports do not mean we will get to them after a second; do not expect instantaneous responses. Admins need to confirm the report.

2) Admins aren't paid to sit around and do nothing to answer every report you have. Sorry to disappoint, they're playing the game as well and in the same firefights as you. Admins make the best effort to be timely.

3) Regardless, it seems that the reports you have made in this instance has been answered, and even included a false report because you were mistaken.

[2020-07-02 07:39] !REPORTP performed by 'CMEN DeadofPool' on '': asset stea
[2020-07-02 07:40] !TEMPBAN performed by 'PRISM user armoff' on '': asset theft

[2020-07-02 07:45] !REPORTP performed by 'CMEN DeadofPool' on '': attempted asset threat
[2020-07-02 07:45] !REPORTP performed by 'CMEN DeadofPool' on '': asset steal*
[2020-07-02 07:45] !WARN performed by ' witek3193' on '': You are asset stealing, return the vehicle to main base, type !rules in chat for rules!
[2020-07-02 07:46] !TEMPBAN performed by ' witek3193' on '': int tk

[2020-07-02 07:50] !REPORTP performed by 'CMEN DeadofPool': m07 stealing apc
[2020-07-02 07:51] !WARN performed by ' witek3193' on '': You are asset stealing, return the vehicle to main base, type !rules in chat for rules!
[2020-07-02 07:51] !REPORT performed by 'CMEN DeadofPool': disregard, my bad

You clearly have a problem with us, to the point where it seems like you are obsessed. Shall I go screenshot every post you made on discord, reddit, etc. where you clearly have an axe to grind? Keep it up with your friends on the brigading.

My turn:

https://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100112

Good to go as feedback
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion of Server's rules
Nothing about server rules here, so thats a n/a here
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion of the server administration practice
--- This includes: Maps, Balance, Warning/Kicking/Banning practice, Ping, Uptime, Admin Presence, ...
I think this is about admin presence? Which I just showed you logs of handling? If you want to be constructive, give me the times, and what happened so we can look. Dont see anything constructive here, no surprise.
- Criticism, praise and limited discussion on specific personal experiences
I guess this is personal? I think you and your friends hate us. Sorry we don't think you guys are the kings of PR and cater to your every need within seconds while in-game

Not acceptable as feedback
- Both whining & fanboyism, we aim for constructive feedback
I don't really see this as constructive (I mentioned above what you can do to be constructive), considering the brigading of your fellow friends as well as your demonstrated axe to grind
- Escalation (this includes brigading & clan/community drama as well as personal conflicts between individuals)
Yes.
- Extended discussion of individual cases, specifically bans
No.

In short: Anything that goes against the PR Forum Rules (as in: be civil, bring sources, don't spam, stay on topic...)

Please understand that if you break the forum rules, or if you go against the above guidelines we will give you infraction points immediately.


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Can we give out infraction points?


Also to note per the above link: Admins may take this feedback to improve themselves and reply as they see fit (of course within the forum rules). Admins have the last word on what happens on their server, they have no obligation to follow player demands in the feedback thread.

One thing I will not stand for is brigading, false reports, and saying one thing where the logs show something different, so I shall set the record straight here with log sources.

[Nate.]

Despite what the posts of the last years would suggest, this is not a ranting thread. User infracted. - But I would hope DeadOfPools concerns to be taken up by HOG if they were brought forward in a more constructive manner.

Regarding the issue mentioned, being a game server admin definitely does come with a responsibility and nobody will deny that players have voiced their concerns about lack of admin responsiveness before. So maybe it would be a solution to delegate the administrative work to guest admins even more so than at the moment.

[SemlerPDX]

I know I'm not a moderator here, but @DeadofPool, could you please stop with the ageist remarks?

The age of any server administrator anywhere has absolutely nothing to do with the manner in which a server is administered... imagine yourself in 30-40 years, still enjoying your favorite PC gaming hobby only to have to hear disdain for your presence not because you're a decent dude (or not), but because you were for some reason unable to halt the passage of time and it's effects on the numeric value of your age.

Thank you.

[SemlerPDX]

Ageism doesn't exist in this context, act your age and take your lumps like the rest of us. I've heard 12 year olds get called squeaker that complain less, someone on HOG literally tried to equate saying boomer to saying the n-word.

And the only reason I do is because most of these admins have that sort of attitude that they deserve respect because of their age while acting like the most egregious butthats that don't deserve it at all. They hear disdain not because of their age......

Apologies to the Mods for these two posts, sincerely. This is my LAST post in this thread, period. I am not part of HOG, and I won't be taking ANY lumps from you, son.

I was merely pointing out your needless personal slights against those you are angry with using age, and yes, it is not on par with but equivalent to discrimination of race, etc. when you use it in the manner you have been. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter how you justify it and while attempting to provide reports and constructive criticism, you are creating personal attacks based on something no human can control (in that case, age being in the same category as skin color, country of origin, etc.).

Also to be completely fair they should've expected this when they chose their server name. Besides, the entire reason I even say it or phrase it like that is in hopes they'll start acting their god damned age because as it is now they don't in between their constant blame shifting like they're some drop out 20 year old who wants to try and blame everyone else for his shitty circumstance in life.

Stating that your personal attacks have a constructive purpose is the most childish thing I've ever read from online gamers, and I've been doing this for around ten years now. If you can't see that, you are beyond hope. Cut out the age remarks as if it matters, cause it doesn't - there are cool people in all age groups, generations, just like there are jerks in all walks of life, too. Just quit.



I already have overstepped by posting here calling for some sanity with regards to your ageist remarks... I have no horse in this race, I'm merely telling you to drop the personal ageist attacks - your anger and frustration can be understood, but when you take it to the level of personal attacks, you only hurt your cause and your position.


Just an FYSA on naming of generations: as an example, I'm over 40 and my FATHER is a baby boomer, he's 76 years old. The generation of these folks which you MEAN to state is Generation X -- you are way off using 'boomer', that generation has NOTHING to do with this (unless your personal attack is calling folks from Generation X as Boomers as if it is an insult to equate one generation to an older one). Could probably count the 'boomers' in PR without even having to take socks off to count, lmfao... Just stop already.