[Kit] Ch-ch-chaaanges!

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-02-11 00:00

[R-MOD]Bob_Marley wrote:I'll get you for this eddie...

I'll get you...

I shall have the P90 in PR...

YES! TEARS! Tears of unfathomable sadness!! Let me taste them!

Post by **Spec** » 2008-02-11 13:08

So what about some extra ammo for the MP5, since its prolly totaly underpowered? Or less deviation as SMG-bonus perhaps... dunno

joselucca · Post by **joselucca** » 2008-02-11 16:49

Great improvements, specially on the HAT...they definitely needed a rifle.
And on another note HK53...submachine gun...assault rifle? WHO CARES...it is AWESOME!

Finally...its spelled C-A-R-B-I-N-E and not CARABINE...no extra A.
Carabine+r = is a metal loop with a sprung or screwed gate. It can quickly and reversibly connect components in safety-critical systems. The word comes from "Karabinerhaken", meaning "hook for a carbine" in German.

Thank you and good night.

Post by **Spec** » 2008-02-11 18:37

Well, but since the word "Karabiner" in german also means carbine, its quite understandable people write that extra a.

kilroy0097 · Post by **kilroy0097** » 2008-02-12 06:17

'[R-DEV wrote:Jaymz;600428']Crewman PDW

Having crewmen with full sized assault rifles was a little bit ridiculous. Getting a G3A3 out of a burning T90 would be a little bit too much hastle in RL . So we've issued them more feasible firearms.

GB : No suitable replacement at this time.

Ok. After posting on many different Q&A sites and lots of internet searches I finally got an answer on the Great Britain Tank crews and what they actually carry in modern day. This is not confirmed but it's a possible answer.

For a sidearm they use the Browning Hi-Power pistol, and for a longarm they wield the short version of the SA80 assault rifle.

Does this sound right to you people? Devs?

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-02-12 07:11

kilroy0097 wrote:Does this sound right to you people? Devs?

Yes, it's the L22A2. A carbine variant of the SA80, it's been mentioned several times in this thread

. But thanks for researching for us either way

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-02-12 07:20

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:Yes, it's the L22A2. A carbine variant of the SA80, it's been mentioned several times in this thread . But thanks for researching for us either way

In truth, you could just give them a pistol for the time being. It's not like you often need to escape from the C2.

Darkpowder · Post by **Darkpowder** » 2008-02-13 10:33

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Jaymz;600428']
Due to the delay systems used to portray setting up H-AT systems and acquiring targets, we have come to the conclusion that issuing them Assault Rifles will allow the kit better integration into infantry squads.
[/quote]

Oh dear, the only way in my opinion the HAT can remain a specialist kit is to keep the pistol, (even a carbine/SMG would be better perhaps) with players opting for the light-AT if you want a rifle.

Its a fine move for realism, but a shame that the HAT is going to be seen scattered to the wind littering the map where the people that carry them will fall. I suppose the SL's are going to have to exert a lot more control to make sure it ends up in the right hands.

All good though i suppose, it just means we are going to see a LOT more captured enemy kits. The pistol keeps even the beginner player back, close to his teammates and keeps a rifleman (normally ammo-guy) as close protection. This was a -GREAT- integrator and almost enforced teamplay. I hope you are going the right way changing this.

[quote="Sabre_tooth_tigger""]Whats the two big toys on that table?[/quote]

GPMG and .50 cal MG

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-02-13 19:33

Why on EARTH do people keep saying they need an SMG? Or hell, even a PDW?

Personally, I think if it's got a rifle it will encourage the lesser players to fight with it more often, but if the devs think this is a good idea, it's probably a good idea.

Though, if you want to take liberties with the MEC and give him the P90

(kidding)

Post by **Jaymz** » 2008-02-13 19:39

Expendable Grunt wrote:Why on EARTH do people keep saying they need an SMG? Or hell, even a PDW?

They're just worried about people lone wolfing with it and rightly so.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2008-02-13 20:44

I use HAT solo-ish on Kashan also, its a big map and imo hat resembles sniper in that it should not really travel with a squad all the time. Its a long range killer

The rifle will slow down the HAT rearming I think, if you use it at all. I read that javelin weighs 50kg, the heaviest kit carried on the battlefield. They shouldnt be able to run or at least be as lame as civilian are
Give them a G3

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-02-14 01:24

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:They're just worried about people lone wolfing with it and rightly so.

So a SMG/PDW will stop them from soloing more than a pistol?

DeltaFart · Post by **DeltaFart** » 2008-02-14 22:38

From being on the Americas Army forum, they don't use any submachine guns in the armed forces(it kills kittens when you mention the mp5 there)
No P90 please, A) How would a MEC get a P90? I realize mec is an army but I doubt they would go for the P90 whihc is expensive over the cheap stuff they can get locally
This is PR guys not CoD4
I'd take a Rifle over a pistol anyday
Maybe give the HAT carbines? M4 for US, L22 for UK, HK53 for MEC, and GBZ95B for PLA, INS gets AKSU (USI has one, I bet you could ask them), and Militia gets MP5(they mentioned MP5 is licensed in turkey thats where the milita are at)
Crewman I'd say US M4, L22 UK, MP5 for MEC(cause thats what advisor said), and 95B for PLA, Ins AKSU, Mil MP5

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-02-15 14:08

Delta, the MEC are an army funded by SEVERAL nations. Think of them as NATO, almost. Just because they speak Arabic does not doom them to cheap, shoddy equipment. The P90 is an FN weapon that is produced, and is popular in, the middle east.

And using your logic, why would the militia take the MP5 over the cheaper stuff they can get locally?

DeltaFart · Post by **DeltaFart** » 2008-02-15 20:03

Cause its one of the things built in the middle east, its made there, the militia can steal whole shipments of it

Eddie Baker · Post by **Eddie Baker** » 2008-02-17 13:59

Expendable Grunt wrote:The P90 is an FN weapon that is produced, and is popular in, the middle east.

FN has not licensed the P90 to be manufactured in any other states. As for popular, the only Middle East state using it is Saudi Arabia, and how many of them are in service over there has not been confirmed.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-02-17 21:21

Really? Bob told me otherwise.

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2008-02-18 22:20

Expendable Grunt wrote:Really? Bob told me otherwise.

Lies.

I have never stated that the weapon is produced in the middle east.

In addition, I would point out that the weapon is also used by The Lebanon and Pakistan, allegedly.