Australian Defence Force suggestions.

[Kenny]

I hope tonnie sorts out his net soon so we can get him back on forums.

[Truism]

Wouldn't a more interesting/easier idea would be to kit the MEC out as the Masourian Armed Forces (MAF) as all of the appropriate equipment, AK-74, RPK-74, PKM, RPG-7, BDRM-60, BTR-60, BMP-3, etc are all already ingame. At least this way the AusForces would be fighting a conventional force! The last thing we need are more Insurgency maps!!!

Just keep in mind the average MAF Squad member carries a special AK that gives him about twice the plan range of Australian soldier using an F88, and a maximum effective range of 3150m.

Is this really what you want to fight against?

[RHYS4190]

Just keep in mind the average MAF Squad member carries a special AK that gives him about twice the plan range of Australian soldier using an F88, and a maximum effective range of 3150m.

Is this really what you want to fight against?

now the Ze-german worked this out year's ago, the standard infantry engagement is around 300 yard's give or take and that basically the effective range off a standard rifle man any way after 300 meter's wind and ballistics’ start impact heavily to the flight path of the bullet (which is why you need special training and spotter's to get out that far), So to a standard infantry men a weapon that can get out to 3150m is useless to him because he’s unable to use the weapons capability’s effectively.

PS.

So unless this bullet in this AK your referring to is capable of stable flight well beyond 300m to 900m. im not terrible worried and i won't be losing any sleep over it.

[LeadMagnet]

Please get your ranges correct people. Maximum effective range of an AK-47 or any of it's variants is 400m. The longest recorded kill by a rifle was made by one of our snipers at just over 2400m using a MacMillan Tac-50 firing the .50bmg cartridge (and that was on his 2nd shot after he was able to gauge the wind better). To do this he was using a 24x power scope and at that distance you can discern a silouette at best even with those optics. To think that an assault rifle can accurately fire past 1000m even with open sights is ridiculous.

[Outlawz7]

LMAO, an AK47 with range of 3150m

[Truism]

now the Ze-german worked this out year's ago, the standard infantry engagement is around 300 yard's give or take and that basically the effective range off a standard rifle man any way after 300 meter's wind and ballistics’ start impact heavily to the flight path of the bullet (which is why you need special training and spotter's to get out that far), So to a standard infantry men a weapon that can get out to 3150m is useless to him because he’s unable to use the weapons capability’s effectively.

PS.

So unless this bullet in this AK your referring to is capable of stable flight well beyond 300m to 900m. im not terrible worried and i won't be losing any sleep over it.

Please get your ranges correct people. Maximum effective range of an AK-47 or any of it's variants is 400m. The longest recorded kill by a rifle was made by one of our snipers at just over 2400m using a MacMillan Tac-50 firing the .50bmg cartridge (and that was on his 2nd shot after he was able to gauge the wind better). To do this he was using a 24x power scope and at that distance you can discern a silouette at best even with those optics. To think that an assault rifle can accurately fire past 1000m even with open sights is ridiculous.

LMAO, an AK47 with range of 3150m

Sigh. I never said real AK-74's could actually hit out at 3k, but it's doctrine. The Musorian Armed Forces are super soldiers with super weapons who need to be beaten by superior tactics.

Edit: You should also almost certainly have looked up who the MAF were before you berated me with statistics about what their weapons should and shouldn't be able to do.

[HangMan_]

Sigh. I never said real AK-74's could actually hit out at 3k, but it's doctrine. The Musorian Armed Forces are super soldiers with super weapons who need to be beaten by superior tactics.

Edit: You should also almost certainly have looked up who the MAF were before you berated me with statistics about what their weapons should and shouldn't be able to do.

I fail to find this funny? All it shows is that some aussies have resorted to imagining inferior New Zealand forces to make them feel better?? No one can use an iron sight Ak-74 to hit a target at 3000m+ (unless the target is a large building, or continent)

[Truism]

It's not meant to be funny, it's meant to force superior tactics. Train hard, fight easy, all that good stuff.

Edit, you know what, forget it. Clearly I'm an idiot. Clearly I really thought you could make an AK with open sights that could shoot 3k accurately. Clearly I thought a small South-East Asian country could afford to train line infantry well enough to use these AKs to effect at 3150m. Like I said forget it.

[Kenny]

Good but not to be annoying or anything, but make sure you check your facts I have never herd of an AK( any of the family) being used to effect of 3150m maybe 1000m or 1150m but the bullet would be blown off course but wind and it would have an incredible amount of drop at that range. You may be able to get the bullets in the general direction but each would land about 10-15m apart making them useless.
Any by the way who are "Musorian Armed Forces" all I can find is that's what the ADF call their imaginative enemies in training and their not meant to represent any particular force in existence.

[HangMan_]

It's not meant to be funny, it's meant to force superior tactics. Train hard, fight easy, all that good stuff.

Edit, you know what, forget it. Clearly I'm an idiot. Clearly I really thought you could make an AK with open sights that could shoot 3k accurately. Clearly I thought a small South-East Asian country could afford to train line infantry well enough to use these AKs to effect at 3150m. Like I said forget it.

so if Musuria exists can u show me it on a map?

[Warpig-]

Guys, settle

"Musorian" is the name used by the Australian Defence Forces to identify "enemy" units and "hostiles" during military exercises.

Yes he's taking the piss. I think though as it went over peoples heads that he should have clarified what he meant, but the whole thing got way off track

[Truism]

Guys, settle



Yes he's taking the piss. I think though as it went over peoples heads that he should have clarified what he meant, but the whole thing got way off track

Correct. Musoria is an imaginary country North of PNG and North-East of Indonesia which shares an island with another country "The State". The use Eastern Bloc equipment modified to give phenominal performance so that they are able to outperform Australian forces in every way. This forces Australian forces to improvise, adapt and overcome them by wit and guile as well as maneuvre rather than attrition.

[Kenny]

That may of needed to be clarified in the first post but although it would be nice to be able to win a mach on wit, guile and skill I don't think it would be popular to have an imaginary fraction in a game that's all about realism but I would like the challenge it would give a bit of verity.

[HangMan_]

That may of needed to be clarified in the first post but although it would be nice to be able to win a mach on wit, guile and skill I don't think it would be popular to have an imaginary fraction in a game that's all about realism but I would like the challenge it would give a bit of verity.

Perhaps someone could do some editing and make a community match based on this?

[Jimbom]

Sorry everyone, it appears that I didn't explain my intention very well. I was merely suggesting the MAF as an easy to implement alternative to the MEC. Rather than fighting the MEC the Aussies could fight the MAF who are armed with AK-74's rather than G3's.

The whole point of the suggestion was to put forward the idea of a slightly different enemy which wouldn't take boat loads of work to implement yet still provide a bit of diversity in terms of game play.

[RHYS4190]

I say just fiddle with the insurgent modal's and tool them up a bit differently, and just pass them off as Muslim Indonesian rebel's or some thing.

But for this faction we want better equipment, G3's or some thing better are a must

[anglomanii]

ok i think we should all cool it, step back a little and have a slow read of the last couple of pages.
we should all (including myself) take the time to clearly explain ourselves and make consice and fully articulated statements.

[Kenny]

I think we all may of jumped the gun a little bit and now that we look back we can see the proposed suggestion is not so sill or stupid, I would personal like the challenge of the MAF and it may be good fun as well.

[VisOne]

I say just fiddle with the insurgent modal's and tool them up a bit differently, and just pass them off as Muslim Indonesian rebel's or some thing.

Why should they be Indonesian? Better yet why must they be Muslim? The general idea that Indonesian is some war loving Muslin terrorist state is really quite insulting. It has being a long and often conflicting road that has lead Indonesia to be "the world's most populous Muslim-majority country" however it is plain to anyone who cares to actually look into it. That stating that your a Muslim on a national census is not the same as being extremist or militant. In fact these people are such a small minority its sad that they are always the one who get all the media coverage.

Religion should play no part in PR what so ever regardless of where our fictional story's are to be set.

It would simply be more efficient to look at knocking down the list of bugs the testing has found then to worry about the OPFOR at this point anyway. We have any number of existing forces both symmetrical and asymmetrical which we can use from the word go without creating another.

[RHYS4190]

Why should they be Indonesian? Better yet why must they be Muslim?

Religion should play no part in PR what so ever regardless of where our fictional story's are to be set.

Why does every one from bigD what to start argument’s and flame over nothing, you got your own forums go do it there and leave me well out of it.

Besides i meant nothing offensive by it, merely as a way of explaining why the insurgent model could be used with out a complete rework, or creating a new faction.