Australian Defence Force suggestions.

[sylent/shooter]

I dunno why do you have space marines as an avatar? Personally I think the thermal sight is an interesting addition, even though it could totally be cheap. I don't know anything about that sight but it also could have two functions that let it be switched? I am wondering if the thermal sight will actually work like a thermal or not. Can someone confirm this? or am I going to have to do some digging?

[H.sta]

Hmm, don't care why its made right now, just think its a good model

and i see you are a Dev again Tonnie, congratulations on that.. allthough i don't know if it is something to congratulate, you won't get as much time developing the Australian Forces

[Z-trooper]

I dunno why do you have space marines as an avatar? Personally I think the thermal sight is an interesting addition, even though it could totally be cheap. I don't know anything about that sight but it also could have two functions that let it be switched? I am wondering if the thermal sight will actually work like a thermal or not. Can someone confirm this? or am I going to have to do some digging?

Because we can't do thermal sights in game. Not working ones.

[Tonnie]

If anything portfolio... till I get ref pics on my DEV project I dont have any models to work on so why not haha

[Stoic Sentinel]

Tonnie is back!! Gratz, man

[Truism]

3: f88SA3 DMR rifle (this one exists but is under serious raps)

Two lines of thought on this one. The first is that it's the scout with enhanced optics role slated in the 2012 doctrine and it's basically just an F88SA3 with an Elcan on top.

The other is that I seem to remember reading in the Army newspaper some brief mention about barrel lengths with specific lengths mentioned for some variants, unsure though.

First line of thought backed up by this quote from the Lt. Col. in charge of the Land 125 project:

"Lt. Col. Mattey said, “We are trying to getting to the point where the users themselves can reconfigure it to fulfil the four basic configurations. We are also looking to integrate the grenade launcher so that the trigger comes inside the main trigger guard rather than being external to it so the soldier no longer has to switch from outside to inside and vice versa.”"

[anglomanii]

nice find truism, yeah the F88sa3 DMR is "NOT" going to be a standard F88sa3, it will have a different barrel and ammunition (only just got this confirmed still waiting on details) this flows with what you've mentioned, as part of L125. as part of the ORBAT 2012 definitions, there will be 2 of these Per 8 man brick as well as 2x comannder F88sa3 2x 7.62mm minimi 2x F88sa3+m320GLA. so yeah thats the new ORBAT for the ADF,.

as for the DMR rifle it is supposed to have a good scope (atm its the wildcat, but the ADF is trialing the ELCAN SpecterDR variants with SF units before opening the trial up to Regulars, but keep in mind other sighting systems are also being trialed.) and the new ammo is still 5.56 but is supposedly 77gr spc and capable of effective fire to 600m.

[Tonnie]

and the new ammo is still 5.56 but is supposedly 77gr spc and capable of effective fire to 600m.

the f88a2 can be and is fired quite effective at 600m... I know i hit a dinner plate at 600m with a 3 round adjust, its not hard.

[anglomanii]

yeah but the specs on the MK262 Enhanced Performance 5.56mm 77gr. Sierra.(this is the one the ADF is supposed to be using) projectile looks like it has better performance at at that range. i am not a massive gun nut so i dont know how big a difference it is, but it seems to be the goods.

i read this at global security. it's not full of 6 sigma so its understandable.

AA53, Cartridge, Caliber 5.56mm Special Ball, Long Range Mk 262 Mod 0

The Mk 262 Mod 0 quickly earned an enviable reputation in Afghanistan for excellent accuracy and superior terminal performance. Kills were made with this load out to 700 meters. According to one account, in one engagement two SF operators armed with SPRs killed 75 Taliban with 77 rounds. Upgraded to become the current MK 262 Mod 1, this load features a 77-grain Sierra MatchKing with a cannelure for reliable operation in full-automatic weapons. Ordnance Gelatin tests showed improvements in depth of initial yaw and consistency over the M855 cartridge. Work began for incorporation of Mil-SPEC primer and cartridge case, packaging and specification. Initial SPR weapons and AA53 field reports very positive. The MK 262 MOD 0 was specifically developed for use in the MK 12 SPR. A total of 27 different Off-the-Shelf cartridges were tested, leading to a down select to three, (73 gr. Berger, 87 gr. PRL, and 77gr. Sierra) Berger sold and moved facilities, causing manufacturing reliability issues, PRL shut down, leaving Sierra. The Navy, Army and USMC match teams used initial COTS load with success. The manufacture was willing to work with Government requirements. It demonstrated consistent initial yaw in soft tissue between 3-4 inches at ranges from 15’ to 300 meters. This enables engagements out to 600 meters (800 possible depending on conditions). It greatly enhances the capability of the M16 or M4A1 Carbine (2 minute of angle accuracy very realistic, vs 3-5 minute of angle with M855). On 28 October 2002 The Virginia Contracting Activity, on behalf of the Defense Intelligence Agency, announced [Solicitation Number MDA908-03-Q-0008] that it intended to solicit and negotiate with Black Hills Ammunition, Inc. on a sole source basis to award a contract for MK262, Mod 0, 5.56MM 77 Grain LR Ammunition. If no affirmative written documentation, technical specifications, and pricing are received within 5 days of this synopsis challenging this intended award, to the effect that a comparable source is available or that it is more advantageous, a contract will be established with Black Hills Ammunition, Inc., P.O. Box 3090, Rapid City, SD 57709-3090.

again i am not the gun specialist, so i hope this is ok, also tonnie, i didn't mean to say the F88 couldn't do it, that was just the wash i had on the subject.

[Tonnie]

all good mate...

mounted the vipir 2 on the F88a2 to see how it looked

[Marsh007]

Anyone here remember the 21cwAAF Tournaments etc?

[ChiefRyza]

Nope, have no idea what the actual relevance is to this thread...

[anglomanii]

did some more research on the viper2 looks like its not just a thermal sight. but can also do daylight digital optical sighting too. more to come just waiting on a email.