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Qadis wrote:Why the change ?

The M14 never shot anywhere close to 1200rpm on full auto is why. Also it spitting out 762x51DMR rounds at that rate is way too much firepower for the weapon it represents.

skooterkid23 wrote:How is the ROF currently 1200RPM on the M14? I thought BF2 engine only allowed 300,450,600,900, and 1800

Two lots of 600 I think.

The main advantage in game is that it hits a lot harder than the M16. The trade-off is that you get a lot less ammunition. If you fire the M14 in fully automatic you will not hit much past 20m and you will run out of ammo pretty quickly.

In the NZ Army during Vietnam the radio operator, point-man & corporal usually carried a AR-15. Officers and platoon sgts also got their mitts on them - they favoured them because you could dump a mag pretty quickly if you got in a pinch (vs. L1A1) & you can carry nearly twice as much ammunition of 5.56 than they could 7.62x51

The associated disadvantage with the weapons system (M16) is that it uses a direct impingement system which in essence is an operating system which blows gas from the barrel straight back into the action. The equivalent of shitting where you eat.
The projectile does not penetrate cover/bushes very well - in fact it explodes if it hits pretty much anything (leaves/branches/earth); due to its high velocity and light weight.

M14 fires a slower moving but much heavier round - the killing power between the two is reasonably similar if you hit flesh. But i'm not going to go into too much depth about terminal ballistics of 7.62x51 vs 5.56 - if you're really interested about that there is stacks of literature. Punches through cover better - physically larger bullet so you can carry less.

TL;DR
M16 - good for carrying a ****-load of ammo.
Fouls itself - needs regular cleaning. Good if it hits flesh - garbage if it hits anything else.

M14 - punches hard through even heavy cover. Piston operated gas system doesn't foul the action. Can only carry half of what you could carry in ammunition with 5.56.

In game I often squad lead - the SL M16 has a 30 round magazine which is good for dumping quick in a contact. So that is what I use.

Souls Of Mischief wrote:If you are referring to the RoF, then the change is obvious- M14 RoF isn't that high, IRL.

Meant the change in projectile

[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:M14 and M16 both have 20 rounds. The M16 the officer uses has a larger magazine and features 30 rounds.

And.. (in PR Vietnam) only the AK47 is used, not the AK74.

ya im always SL so i guess thats why i thought the 16 had bigger mag. cool for me then

for the rest of pr it seems pointless to choose the 74 over 47. but the aks-74u on the other hand

Seems a little odd that the M14 (7.62x51) is a one hit kill when weapons like G3 (7.62x51) and AK47 (7.62x39) damage isn't consistent.

Redit wrote:Seems a little odd that the M14 (7.62x51) is a one hit kill when weapons like G3 (7.62x51) and AK47 (7.62x39) damage isn't consistent.

It's because nobody is wearing body armour.

NuclearBanane wrote:Considering the SKS is terrible, I'd say M-14 OP.

I love the SKS, preferring it above the AK47 when playing NVA. It's accurate with enough stopping power while having little kickback. Its only real drawback is the lack of mid-clip reloading and consequently the smal clip itself.

Stealthgato wrote:It's because nobody is wearing body armour.

AK47 is in Nam.

Redit wrote:Seems a little odd that the M14 (7.62x51) is a one hit kill when weapons like G3 (7.62x51) and AK47 (7.62x39) damage isn't consistent.

Also the g3 is a one shot black and white screen to the chest and the 47 round is smaller than the 308.

To the devs Please don't Nerf the damage on the m14 if a 308 round hits you in the chest your going to die almost instantly even if your wearing body armor. If you nerf the m14s damage then the us m40 and m24 better be nerfed as well seeing as they fire the same round. If you feel that the m14 is overpowered then give it way more recoil on fully auto because realistically you wont be able to fire that thing with the amount of accuracy you can in pr. And make it so you get half as much ammo as with the m16.

maniac1031 wrote:Also the g3 is a one shot black and white screen to the chest and the 47 round is smaller than the 308.

To the devs Please don't Nerf the damage on the m14 if a 308 round hits you in the chest your going to die almost instantly even if your wearing body armor. If you nerf the m14s damage then the us m40 and m24 better be nerfed as well seeing as they fire the same round. If you feel that the m14 is overpowered then give it way more recoil on fully auto because realistically you wont be able to fire that thing with the amount of accuracy you can in pr. And make it so you get half as much ammo as with the m16.

i don't see any reason for them to nerf it. It has a better front sight and more damage but overall i prefer running the m16. It allows for quicker and more accurate follow up shots than the m14.

but yeah some changes are needed, the m14 is a heavier rifle than the M16 in both firepower and actual weight. more recoil and more deviation increase per shot would be a good idea.

maniac1031 wrote:
To the devs Please don't Nerf the damage on the m14 if a 308 round hits you in the chest your going to die almost instantly even if your wearing body armor.

I beg to differ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXMjh_Xb ... ata_player

|TG|BOLAGNAISE wrote:I beg to differ
U.S. Soldier shot by sniper (pops back up) - YouTube

That proves nothing.
Do you know what kind of round that was?
It was most likely a 7.62x39mm not a NATO round
This is the difference.
http://www.specops.pl/vortal/taktyka_zi ... ssmall.jpg

Wakain wrote:I love the SKS, preferring it above the AK47 when playing NVA. It's accurate with enough stopping power while having little kickback. Its only real drawback is the lack of mid-clip reloading and consequently the smal clip itself.

We can all have preferences and niches. Like people who play with a AK74 vs AK47

The SKS has all the disadvantages when put up against the SKS. And the SKS doesn't pack as much punch as the M14 as far as I can tell. Its nice gun but to many down falls for me to say 1 v the other. M14s damaged is higher then the other 7.62 guns which I think undeserved. ( Yes I have an M14 fetish but when it comes to making a balanced game I don't care. )
SKS is a good gun in the hands of a Vet.

|TG|BOLAGNAISE wrote:I beg to differ
U.S. Soldier shot by sniper (pops back up) - YouTube

1) That was probably 7.62x39mm significantly smaller than the 7.62x51mm Nato.
2) crappier bullet fired from crappier rifle. this means the flight of the bullet is not at all near it's max possible velocity, it's probably yawing a bit more than it should for max penetration. <this is one of the major problems with the early M16s. the low turn rate of the rifling allowed the bullet to yaw and tumble too early minimizing it's effectiveness on impact with anything.

now you're not wrong in thinking the plate can stop 7.62mm NATO. it depends alas on range, what type of round you're firing, and a plethora of environmental factors. i'd safely bet on clean penetration anywhere under 500 meters though or my insides being horrifically shaken around if not. and in PRV thats about the max range you will ever see.

Did you know that these days soldiers have body armor with ceramic plates that can stop even large bullets.
Did you know that in vietnam their body armors stopped mostly pistol rounds fired from range.

That video proofs nothing.

Bringerof_D wrote:1) That was probably 7.62x39mm significantly smaller than the 7.62x51mm Nato.
2) crappier bullet fired from crappier rifle. this means the flight of the bullet is not at all near it's max possible velocity, it's probably yawing a bit more than it should for max penetration. <this is one of the major problems with the early M16s. the low turn rate of the rifling allowed the bullet to yaw and tumble too early minimizing it's effectiveness on impact with anything.

now you're not wrong in thinking the plate can stop 7.62mm NATO. it depends alas on range, what type of round you're firing, and a plethora of environmental factors. i'd safely bet on clean penetration anywhere under 500 meters though or my insides being horrifically shaken around if not. and in PRV thats about the max range you will ever see.

Agreed. Whether or not you survive the bleeding internals and broken ribs is another story but level 3a body armour is rated to 7.62 NATO armour piercing with handgun inserts.

I believe the very best ceramic armor we have in service is only capable of stopping 7.62 NATO, not 30-06.

In PR: V the M14 will make anyone shot with it in the chest go black and white.

Ehh what's the problem with just checking data of current E-SAPI plates? Or is it better to speculate and spread lies? SAPI plates protect up to 7.62 x 51 NATO rifle round, and E-SAPIs, which are the current standard, protect up to .30-06 M2 Armor-piercing(!) rounds - that's a hell lot of protection.

Secon thing: in Vietnam War flack jackets like M69 could protect from fragmentation and pistol rounds. However there was (of course in very small quantities) a VBA - Variable Body Armor, which could protect from intermediate round like AK 7.62 x 39
Here's something about ti:
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About M14 in PR, I think it's good the way it is (+ the changes the devs talked about earlier)

Hunt3r wrote:In PR: V the M14 will make anyone shot with it in the chest go black and white.

They should get wounded lol?



Seriously, you wouldn't do much fighting after such a bullet.

Its good that in PR you can get revived after taking APC round to the chest.

M14 fires .308 whereas the M16 fires the .223. This makes a big power difference.

I personally prefer the M14's ironsights as well. Ironsights+same 20 round mag+auto 308= I wish all US rifles were M14s. In real life, both jammed fairly often. Of course, M16's jams were fixed in M16A1 version but still....

I personally prefer the M14.

Regarding vs. enemy rifle, it has little bit more power than SKS due to 7.62x51mm instead of 7.62x39. Considering SKS is semi, only thing AK47 has on M14 is 10 rounds more in mag from what I've noticed.