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Baserape is allowed? I was going to read a book, but now I'm going to Cobra Mall Security!

I joined first time today, to get an impression. On my first round someone creates early squad, everybody rages at him but no admins online to take care of him -> squad bug, i left again. gg.

Please make use of the squad creation time plugins for realityadmin.

Just tried again.

We have an armoured sqd, a apc sqd and a apc2 sqd.

players having fist fight in main.

players doing donuts in main

about ZERO comms

a guy St James trying to tk apc in main

in short a clusterfuck

I had a nice round earlier. Soloed an SPG techie on Archer STD, getting 14 kills in as many minutes. At this stage, the enemy team was out of things to transport them from main, so the killfeed slowed down and I left.

Spook wrote:I joined first time today, to get an impression. On my first round someone creates early squad, everybody rages at him but no admins online to take care of him -> squad bug, i left again. gg.

Please make use of the squad creation time plugins for realityadmin.

I have the script installed but for some reason it does not block early squads.

LiamBai wrote:I had a nice round earlier. Soloed an SPG techie on Archer STD, getting 14 kills in as many minutes. At this stage, the enemy team was out of things to transport them from main, so the killfeed slowed down and I left.

So here is the thing:
In rare occassions someone might get through and cause some damage. Let's check the math on this:

- You have to drive a rare SPG truck through the open archer landscape
- It has to be in very specific exposed spots to get a shot at the base
- You have to get past 50 enemies crawling over the map
- You were determined to prove how bad my server rule is so you went out of your way and put effort into trying it.
- You probably died a few times attempting it.
- Players aware that something might hit the base are naturally more aware, and behave more carefully and return fire quicker when it happens. But since my server is the only one doing it, some players are not used to it yet.
A successful base attack is rare and almost never happens, but the problem on this forum appears to be that whenever some server rule is not in line with traditions people go out of their way to to claim that the server will only be about this all the time.
I also have no rule against running people over with cars btw, and no my server is not a constant destruction derby of drivers trying to run people over, because running a player over with a car is usually a last ditch attempt in a bad and rare situation. Because using a car with weapons that can shoot stuff from a kilometers to run someone over will end bad.

When the game added fixed bayonets, why did no one claim the game would be a giant endless knife fight and it would destroy PR? Because using a knife in a game of long range rifles is a bad bet. The same applies with driving a precious SPG jeep which has no armor across 2km of open landscape to get a shot off at a main abse.

Jevski wrote:Just tried again.

We have an armoured sqd, a apc sqd and a apc2 sqd.

players having fist fight in main.

players doing donuts in main

about ZERO comms

a guy St James trying to tk apc in main

in short a clusterfuck

flat out lie again. I get it you are angry for some reason and you want to shoot down my server. I could post some videos disproving your claims but I am not going to dignify your posts with uploading videos just to disprove you.

stray cat wrote:
As for shooting into spawn, you exagerrate, this does not happen. Helicopters attempting to shoot into a main base are very easy target for any AA weapon. And the odd mortar or sniper shot firing into a fortified base is a reality of modern warfare. And lastly it is near impossible to track wether someone was shot in his base or wether he just whines and complains because he got shot 10m outside of the base and wants the other guy to be punished.

You obviously have never played on servers that used to allow it, because I could name of dozens of times before 1.0 was released where I played on servers that allowed baserape, and it happened very frequently. The person who mentioned Lashkar was spot on, literally you would see Taliban sit atop the mountain and fire into the German main, generally killing any assets that would spawn before they had a chance to flee. Another example was before they fixed the US main on Kokan, the enemy used to be able to drive bombcars and Garys into their main, and again on servers that allowed baserape this meant everything in main would be killed over and over due to a steam of suicide attacks that were difficult to defend against. And your point about main bases having anti air is moot at best, no one expects to get raped at main and thus you'll never see the anti air emplacements manned so a quick CAS run could potentially wipe out all the assets or a sizeable amount of guys before anyone could react. And actually it's not impossible, if you have competent admins and support staff you can find out real quick if someone is getting killed in main or not. Point is, being able to base rape is a stupid rule, all you're doing is encouraging negative and toxic behavior. You might want to start listening to these people who are complaining.

In between all the base-raping, roadkilling, and destroying of PR spirit the players on my server still find the time to:

-Work in squads
-Work as medics
-Use helicopters to resupply on the frontline
-Stage a 50 player assault on the NE airfield with repeated respplies
-Coordinate between different squads for cover fire
-As a taliban player, manage to stage a mortar strike resulting in 17 kills while under heavy fire at the NE airfield

All with only one admin present at the time who spent most of the time playing.

So I call lies on Jevskis crusade to take my server down because "ZERO COMMS"

You obviously have never played on servers that used to allow it, because I could name of dozens of times before 1.0 was released where I played on servers that allowed baserape, and it happened very frequently. The person who mentioned Lashkar was spot on, literally you would see Taliban sit atop the mountain and fire into the German main, generally killing any assets that would spawn before they had a chance to flee. Another example was before they fixed the US main on Kokan, the enemy used to be able to drive bombcars and Garys into their main, and again on servers that allowed baserape this meant everything in main would be killed over and over due to a steam of suicide attacks that were difficult to defend against. And your point about main bases having anti air is moot at best, no one expects to get raped at main and thus you'll never see the anti air emplacements manned so a quick CAS run could potentially wipe out all the assets or a sizeable amount of guys before anyone could react. And actually it's not impossible, if you have competent admins and support staff you can find out real quick if someone is getting killed in main or not. Point is, being able to base rape is a stupid rule, all you're doing is encouraging negative and toxic behavior. You might want to start listening to these people who are complaining.

I play this since karkand was still in the mod and the G3 rifle used sound files ripped from Counter-Strike. And a base-rape was an extremly rare occurence that caused minimal damage
There are some good points to completely block baseraping, but there are also some points against it. And all these worst case scenarios rarely or never happen at all because of things I explained in great detail in previous posts.

Besides all this, I changed my base-attack rule on the server to only infantry weapons + infantry weapons over 40 hours ago because I forgot that commanders can call in JDAMS on a base. And that rule is shown ingame with !rules and it is shown periodically every few minutes, however liambai purpusefully(?) overlooked that in his desire to prove how bad my rule is.

You might want to start listening to these people who are complaining.

The feedback topic is not representative to how players feel about a server. Players who are having fun on a server and never went on the PR server wont register just to post how much they like a server. Someone with a complaint about abuse (justified or not) has more of a purpose to do so and someone like jevski who intently mentions licenses in his complaint only wants to sink a server.

I am going to take ingame opinions far more serious and the server filling up 100 with many recurring players is a far more important metric for me than this feedback topic.

A server forum section whose purpose is a complaint topic for the most part will produce negative responses more than positive ones.

Mate your a hoot. Its like you have some personal issue with this. As soon as someone brings up a couple of examples you counter with math and what not. eks. that it takes 2-3 dedecated players to run motars. Newsflash PR players ARE dedicated otherwise they would just play COD.

Again my complaint is easy to check. The map was Basrah. Search my name for a !r and find the logs. I wasnt the only one reporting him, and you will find the logs of this (st) james making several tks. - but hey according to your rules tk's are ok, and so is glithing and cheating apparently - neither is mentioned in your rules. And yes that goes under common sense you may counter but remember this is a game on the internet - there is no such thing as common sense.

And you still havent responded to my question in regardss to assets earlier

As to my statement that players will get a very distorted view of pr still stands. some player in game went "so this is pr interresting.
I told him that this server is not how pr is played and that he shoul try PRTA NEW HOG to get a proper pr game - the response... but they are always full. And in here lies part of the problem, new players just wanna play they dont wanna spend 20 min trying to join a server and they dont, as they are noobs, know that the above teamplay or lack of, is not typical of pr.

so will you please stop living in this state of denial and math?! and realise that the players who commented here are vetarans and devs, and they kinda know what they are talking about.

As to proof, well i could check BR but again NO INFO anywhere and you will still most likely deny it.

At least do as others have asked shutdown the server when no admin is online

Would it help if we came on the server and recorded attacking enemy main and show how broken the rule is?

No FFG, that would not help...

But back on topic, stray cat, you should really listen to what these guys are trying to say, they are/have been admins on the biggest PR server's, they know what they are talking about, so don't take it badly please

stray cat wrote:



I play this since karkand was still in the mod and the G3 rifle used sound files ripped from Counter-Strike. And a base-rape was an extremly rare occurence that caused minimal damage
There are some good points to completely block baseraping, but there are also some points against it. And all these worst case scenarios rarely or never happen at all because of things I explained in great detail in previous posts.

Besides all this, I changed my base-attack rule on the server to only infantry weapons + infantry weapons over 40 hours ago because I forgot that commanders can call in JDAMS on a base. And that rule is shown ingame with !rules and it is shown periodically every few minutes, however liambai purpusefully(?) overlooked that in his desire to prove how bad my rule is.

Area attacks cannot be called in on main bases that have DOD. They will simply fail to detonate. So the point about commanders being able to call in attacks like that are moot. Same reason why mortars can't hit DOD. Now if you manage to fly through the DOD and drop ordnance, then you can cause destruction. Besides letting squads shoot into main, especially on insurgency maps like Fallujah or Al Basrah are downright gamebreaking. Back when Hardcore allowed Baserape, entire squads would just sit up on perches shooting down into main on those aforementioned maps and kill anything that spawned which as you might imagine would ruin the match.

stray cat wrote:

In between all the base-raping, roadkilling, and destroying of PR spirit the players on my server still find the time to:

-Work in squads
-Work as medics
-Use helicopters to resupply on the frontline
-Stage a 50 player assault on the NE airfield with repeated respplies
-Coordinate between different squads for cover fire
-As a taliban player, manage to stage a mortar strike resulting in 17 kills while under heavy fire at the NE airfield

All with only one admin present at the time who spent most of the time playing.

So I call lies on Jevskis crusade to take my server down because "ZERO COMMS"




I play this since karkand was still in the mod and the G3 rifle used sound files ripped from Counter-Strike. And a base-rape was an extremly rare occurence that caused minimal damage
There are some good points to completely block baseraping, but there are also some points against it. And all these worst case scenarios rarely or never happen at all because of things I explained in great detail in previous posts.

Besides all this, I changed my base-attack rule on the server to only infantry weapons + infantry weapons over 40 hours ago because I forgot that commanders can call in JDAMS on a base. And that rule is shown ingame with !rules and it is shown periodically every few minutes, however liambai purpusefully(?) overlooked that in his desire to prove how bad my rule is.


The feedback topic is not representative to how players feel about a server. Players who are having fun on a server and never went on the PR server wont register just to post how much they like a server. Someone with a complaint about abuse (justified or not) has more of a purpose to do so and someone like jevski who intently mentions licenses in his complaint only wants to sink a server.

I am going to take ingame opinions far more serious and the server filling up 100 with many recurring players is a far more important metric for me than this feedback topic.

A server forum section whose purpose is a complaint topic for the most part will produce negative responses more than positive ones.

Players who see your server's bullshit rule simply don't give a single fuck and join another server； not come to PR forum to tell you how to run a better server.


It really shows when your server is only close to full when every other server in region is full.

ComradeHX wrote:Players who see your server's bullshit rule simply don't give a single fuck and join another server； not come to PR forum to tell you how to run a better server.


It really shows when your server is only close to full when every other server in region is full.

Relax. His server, his rules. Don't agree, join another. End of story.

Problem is, he server might create trouble for others, both in regards to show new players how PR is played or rather how its not. And being mostly like the wild west without a sherif, the "bad guys" might find other towns to fuck up

=H= server ran for years with a similar ruleset, they made it work for a long time and were one of the most popular servers at the time. Not everyone wants to play the same game, and not everyone wants to have the same experience. Don't tell people how to play Jevski, you've been doing it for way to long except now you can't kick someone you disagree with.

Stray holds a server license, he hasn't broken any terms, why can't he make his own choice? If it impacts the whole of PR that much why not enforce a no base rape policy across all servers? If he is putting the money down it's his choice not ours.

stray cat wrote:and someone like jevski who intently mentions licenses in his complaint only wants to sink a server.

Again, I dont know what reality you inhabit, but please show me where I mention licenses in any way?

And Murph I havent told anyone how to play. Ive given my review of the server, specific to lack of teamplay, the baserape rule, and no admins online. As has many other players and developers.

=]H[=ardcore had baserape allowed and it was awesome as far as I remember.

]CIA[ allows small arms fire against the base on SOME maps and it's ok too.

Some diversity on rules are good.

[Accidental double post due to fucked up connection]

Elektro wrote:Relax. His server, his rules. Don't agree, join another. End of story.

Relax?

That's what I did; and so did most others(except for when other servers are full).

You should calm down; no one is trying to strangle him...just giving him some tips on how not to bring negative image to PR.

Murphy wrote:=H= server ran for years with a similar ruleset, they made it work for a long time and were one of the most popular servers at the time. Not everyone wants to play the same game, and not everyone wants to have the same experience. Don't tell people how to play Jevski, you've been doing it for way to long except now you can't kick someone you disagree with.

Stray holds a server license, he hasn't broken any terms, why can't he make his own choice? If it impacts the whole of PR that much why not enforce a no base rape policy across all servers? If he is putting the money down it's his choice not ours.

Yup, Thank god servers like these still exist and sometimes have players on them. That was the old style of gameplay I liked before everyone I liked got banned or left.

I actually made a new thread asking for people to explain the rational where hard limits were put on this practice.


edit: I'm not sure if you guys will agree with me but I'll post this anyway even though I first removed it from my post:


(Frankly, I never understood why such fantastic things like civilian cars, kit captures and even light vehicle captures were removed. The dynamic of the game has IMO definitely changed to the more boring. You can argue all you want that capturing a car might not work without having a key, but capturing a good primary weapon? Shit, that's just BS).