[sp/coop] Ramadi [1k] [wip]

[Rabbit]

And i thought you were just a rotten old troll with no friends and no talent who got drunk and flamed people and had a small penis, and nobody would care if you died a facebook suicide death, and you smelled like farts.

I mean that is all true as well

[Mr.VdHeide]

LOL


D.J.

[Brozef]

AR's with scopes will absolutely dominate those long roads, you need to make those streets shorter or else one person can cover half the map with a single AR.

[Rabbit]

AR's with scopes will absolutely dominate those long roads, you need to make those streets shorter or else one person can cover half the map with a single AR.

Let me contact the head of urban planning in iraq on that,

[agus92]

AR's with scopes will absolutely dominate those long roads, you need to make those streets shorter or else one person can cover half the map with a single AR.

Just some debris in the street to cut sight would do it.

[Fastjack]

Some burning wrecks on the roads could reduce the sight or would it make a bit more difficult to farm.

[Rabbit]

Some burning wrecks on the roads could reduce the sight or would it make a bit more difficult to farm.

Yeah, only 2 roads that are really bad, and one is directly south of ramadi inn. Wish we had more wreak statics like an m2a2 or supply/logi ones.

Updated object count.

[Rabbit]

I was looking at lowering total object count and cannot find a solid way to do it.
Current count 9236

If I fallujah it (remove all objects from surrounding terrain to help the map blend.
8603 (difference of 633)

Remove all static trash piles 369
8867 (difference of 369)

Remove all filler statics (crates, shelving, etc)
8757 (difference of 479)

I really dont see any good options here as I am not even done with the layout of the map yet.

[Fastjack]

Maybe you can reduce every 2nd cable pole (pic.3 right side good visible with the 3 powerlines) to reduce slightly the objectcount without ruining the visual quality.
Seems like you must FIGHT HARD to get the objectcount down.

How many of the sidewalks have you used? (dont know the editor name from the object)
For me it looks like that this is the most used object on your map. Maybe you can find alternative objects (longer) to get the same look done.

remove all objects from surrounding terrain to help the map blend

We coop player will forgive you for that, i'm sure because we know that the surrounding terrain isn't needed for a good coopmap. Heavens gates still open for you.

Sidenote:
You used also the lamppost objects? When yes, please turn them for the navmesh process by 90° or your vehiclenavmesh get fuck up because of this object.

[Rabbit]

Maybe you can reduce every 2nd cable pole (pic.3 right side good visible with the 3 powerlines) to reduce slightly the objectcount without ruining the visual quality.
Seems like you must FIGHT HARD to get the objectcount down.

How many of the sidewalks have you used? (dont know the editor name from the object)
For me it looks like that this is the most used object on your map. Maybe you can find alternative objects (longer) to get the same look done.


We coop player will forgive you for that, i'm sure because we know that the surrounding terrain isn't needed for a good coopmap. Heavens gates still open for you.

Sidenote:
You used also the lamppost objects? When yes, please turn them for the navmesh process by 90° or your vehiclenavmesh get fuck up because of this object.

Cutting down on power lines would be like 50 objects tbh, really only have them in the suburbs and on half the roads in there.

Using 24m sidewalks everywhere I can, and thats the biggest.

As for the lamppost, cant a placeholder object go there for the mesh, then put them back?

[Fastjack]

Lamppost_nav happens the same because of the upper lamps.
The headclearnance doesn't seem to work well for vehicles and this object.

I remember that the cablepole (think its original name) fit for the job as placeholder.
Look that the placeholder touch the ground because the placeholder could have a different anchor point and the simple "Select all of same type and Replace" can cause that the placeholder floats (happens to me, sadlywise).

Cutting down on power lines would be like 50 objects tbh

Remove all filler statics (crates, shelving, etc)

60 shelves or other filler objects more for cover or the sake of good looking ambient more .... sure, shouldn't be focused yet, get the city done but let look at the end for the final polishing.
Removing the BigMosque as excample and having only one of them WITH a basement is also really really nice.
You know, fallujah killer

[Rabbit]

Lamppost_nav happens the same because of the upper lamps.
The headclearnance doesn't seem to work well for vehicles and this object.

I remember that the cablepole (think its original name) fit for the job as placeholder.
Look that the placeholder touch the ground because the placeholder could have a different anchor point and the simple "Select all of same type and Replace" can cause that the placeholder floats (happens to me, sadlywise).



60 shelves or other filler objects more for cover or the sake of good looking ambient more .... sure, shouldn't be focused yet, get the city done but let look at the end for the final polishing.
Removing the BigMosque as excample and having only one of them WITH a basement is also really really nice.
You know, fallujah killer

With how high up those posts are I cannot imagine getting in the way of anything other than a heli...



Also that mosque is right next to the US main base, so I dont have any intent of doing anything super sweet with it like a basement.



Think for now I will just aim at below 10,000 objects and see what people report fps wise during feedback.

[Fastjack]

Ok, didn't knew that this is a mainbase spot.

Is there a possibility sweettalking you to make a controlpoint on the NE edge where the road is and this controlpoint not looks like a base with HESCO's? Maybe having a starting scenario like a vehicle convoy rolls in from far away into Ramadi or it looks like a Forward Outpost?

I could tweak you nice things for the ai that would fit to the scenario. I would also love to give it a go with a insurgency version for coop. Small maps working well in coop insurgency and your map/city layout can be setup with less non-controlpoint related SA's as i did on other map experiments. You also used the splines for some roads and not painted them.
AI vehilces like splines used for roads.

You could also make a layer with BASEDEFENSE where the Blufor Base is in the middle of the map and we add coop insurgency to it. I know many people who exactly like that. Check out other forums too for feedback.

That's only suggestions from me Rabbit. You know how to make nice maps. (cough..cough sbeneh regio ... when comes the update?)

The perspective from you last screenshot looks impressive.

[Rabbit]

Ok, didn't knew that this is a mainbase spot.

Is there a possibility sweettalking you to make a controlpoint on the NE edge where the road is and this controlpoint not looks like a base with HESCO's? Maybe having a starting scenario like a vehicle convoy rolls in from far away into Ramadi or it looks like a Forward Outpost?

Sure I can look into making a building into more of a compound up there. The US main already does have access to the area though.

You could also make a layer with BASEDEFENSE where the Blufor Base is in the middle of the map and we add coop insurgency to it. I know many people who exactly like that. Check out other forums too for feedback.

The H building is pretty damn close to the center of the map, so it could be there. Only other place is where the Ramadi inn is, I was planning on putting a rally point there. (green)

[Fastjack]

Thank you for Feedback positive response.

About Rallypoints:

Outlawz told me there exist a unused python option for placeable_xxx_rallypoints_random to have randomized rally point spawn locations (like the ammocaches) on the map.
Each round the rallies spawn on another location.
That means bots would come always from other direction and not round for round from the same directions.

Excample rallypoint_ins_placeable_random.

When you see Spyker, can you ask him about if he know how to hack in the SP1,SP2 and SP3 layers for coop to activate the SP layers for local rounds.

I dont remember exactly but it was something by activating ai=1 in the descfile to the gpm_conquest gamelayers but i lost that in time.

[Rabbit]

Minimap updated as layout is done. 9803 objects, so I guess I will pack it up tomorrow and see what stuff is like ingame. Think 1 week is a new record for me.

[Fastjack]

What about ambient sounds, ambient triggers etc. but more important what about skydome and darker light settings?

[Rabbit]

What about ambient sounds

After, easy to do. That would fall under final touches.

but more important what about skydome and darker light settings?

I don't mind the skydome, wetlands final iirc, darker settings? like lightmaps? Thats best to do when statics are done, and I need to figure that out first.

[Fastjack]

Something else but not the fallujah, ramiel, gaza, lashkar, basrah, kokan, muttrah daylight settings.

With light settings i dont mean the lightmaps itself. Maybe some settings before the sun touches the horizon. So it feels like the engagements started in the early evening.

From the reality aspect, i dont know when the battle of ramadi started or which time it was.

[Rabbit]

Something else but not the fallujah, ramiel, gaza, lashkar, basrah, kokan, muttrah daylight settings.

With light settings i dont mean the lightmaps itself. Maybe some settings before the sun touches the horizon. So it feels like the engagements started in the early evening.

From the reality aspect, i dont know when the battle of ramadi started or which time it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01QqFN_E66w&t=1s how and when. That is the attack on the ramadi inn, 2 other attacks happened at the same time at different locations.