[Weapon] SA80 Bayonet [WIP]

Brummy · Post by **Brummy** » 2008-03-23 09:28

Meh

I thought this was going to be a real bayonet

Anyway, very nice model

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2008-03-23 10:33

The hole and the indentations are so the blood can drain out once you stab somone

Pretty Pretty please can we have the Kurki Knife for the Special Forces

Post by **Bob_Marley** » 2008-03-23 10:37

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:learn how to animate, then do the animations for us aswell as make bayonets for all USMC, US Army, PLA and MEC and we would consider it

To the animation machine!

seriously though, thats awesome. Looking foreward to seeing it ingame.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-03-23 11:14

robbo wrote:The hole and the indentations are so the blood can drain out once you stab somone

Pretty Pretty please can we have the Kurki Knife for the Special Forces

No, the "blood groove" is a myth. A fuller exists to remove material from non-critical areas, removing mass and weight from the weapon.

On knives of this size, however, it seems mostly vestigial.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2008-03-23 12:15

"it has the much needed blood grooves for 'non-stick operation' which some other common bayonets lack, and does what it says on the tin."

Taken from here. Modern Firearms - Enfield L85 (SA80) assault rifle (not the best but the only sourse i can find)

I dont belive it is a myth, unless you have actually used one you can tell me, yes?

Post by **strima** » 2008-03-23 12:23

Expendable Grunt wrote:No, the "blood groove" is a myth.

Not quite, it's to help prevent suction and make extraction on the bayonette easier. Although to be honest with the amount of adrenaline running through your system I doubt you'd have any problems pulling it out.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2008-03-23 12:25

Blood groves.
I higly doubt that it is a myth, ive heard it on many documentaries on the SA80 and ive heard people talking about it.

Cyrax-Sektor · Post by **Cyrax-Sektor** » 2008-03-23 15:00

Very nice carbon copy!

Even if we can't get it on our guns (which I imagine would only be good IF it had a longer range to pick off civilians), it's still great to see another asset to the mod.

This animation stuff sounds interesting. My simple 3ds Max 'skills' might come in handy. I might work on a Molotov Cocktail some day . . .

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-23 15:14

robbo wrote:
Blood groves.
I higly doubt that it is a myth, ive heard it on many documentaries on the SA80 and ive heard people talking about it.

that is a really bad image of the bayonet... the lighting makes it look like its got indents it dont have...

left side of the blade:

right side of the blade:

as you can see, that channel that you pointed out above is really not there, apart from the main obvious channel which is also included in the ingame model.

the groves are not blood channels, they are in fact cutting groves.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-03-23 15:38

robbo wrote:
Blood groves.
I higly doubt that it is a myth, ive heard it on many documentaries on the SA80 and ive heard people talking about it.

http://www.chronique.com/Library/Glossaries/glossary-AA/arms_f.htm wrote:Fuller: The groove forged and ground into the center of a sword blade in order to lighten it. This was not used, as in common folklore, as a "blood channel" so that blood can flow off of the blade.

Trust me on this one.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2008-03-23 17:24

Hmm i dont no about this one i was dead set on it being a blood channel but i see were your coming from, but i would imagine the blood would flow down the channel though.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2008-03-23 18:19

I really can't believe that you guys are arguing over a freakin knife. Who gives a dam. We have many more important issues at hand than a stupid knife and whether or not it has a "blood channel".

However, I'm only gonna say this once, so listen up.
The long rectangle "channel" that is made into the blade is there to assist in blade removal once it is plunged deeply into something. NOT TO LET BLOOD OUT, but to let air in! It is there to make the blade easier to remove once it is buried deep into flesh and bone.

When a human being is stabbed; the organs, muscle and small rib bones will cave in surrounding the blade and trap it in place. When someone attempts to remove the blade "SUCTION" from the wound canal makes this a very difficult task. Even with a channel in the blade it is sometimes difficult to remove, but it would be much harder without it.
As for the hole that is cut into the knife near the tip. That is there so it can be snapped into the carrying sheath to be used as shears to cut things like rope or thin wire, NOT TO LET BLOOD OUT. So the sheath pulls double duty, just like the knife.

With the knife and carrying sheath you have a Combat knife, a bayonet, and a set of cuttings shears all in one neat little package.

Now isn't that ingenious? I thought so too

Harrod200 · Post by **Harrod200** » 2008-03-23 18:33

Rico11b wrote: With the knife and carrying sheath you have a Combat knife, a bayonet, and a set of cuttings shears all in one neat little package.

Now isn't that ingenious? I thought so too

You forgot the bottle opener.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2008-03-23 18:39

Rico11b wrote:I really can't believe that you guys are arguing over a freakin knife. Who gives a dam. We have many more important issues at hand than a stupid knife and whether or not it has a "blood channel".

However, I'm only gonna say this once, so listen up.
The long rectangle "channel" that is made into the blade is there to assist in blade removal once it is plunged deeply into something. NOT TO LET BLOOD OUT, but to let air in! It is there to make the blade easier to remove once it is buried deep into flesh and bone.

When a human being is stabbed; the organs, muscle and small rib bones will cave in surrounding the blade and trap it in place. When someone attempts to remove the blade "SUCTION" from the wound canal makes this a very difficult task. Even with a channel in the blade it is sometimes difficult to remove, but it would be much harder without it.
As for the hole that is cut into the knife near the tip. That is there so it can be snapped into the carrying sheath to be used as shears to cut things like rope or thin wire, NOT TO LET BLOOD OUT. So the sheath pulls double duty, just like the knife.

With the knife and carrying sheath you have a Combat knife, a bayonet, and a set of cuttings shears all in one neat little package.

Now isn't that ingenious? I thought so too

No, it DOES NOT solve any "suction" issues at all, ever.

Harrod200 · Post by **Harrod200** » 2008-03-23 18:47

If the grooves are for weight, how much weight is saved by trimming barely a few square cm? Kinda makes more sense on something so small and lightweight anyway for it to relieve suction...

Next time I go mug someone, I'll take a grooved and non-grooved blade with me and compare them

Post by **Rhino** » 2008-03-23 18:56

if its for wait saving then they would have cut wholes though the knife...

the air suction makes a lot of seance to me.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2008-03-23 19:32

Expendable Grunt wrote:No, it DOES NOT solve any "suction" issues at all, ever.

[FONT=&quot]I didn't say it solved anything, I implied that it helped to reduce the force needed to remove the blade. Which is all it really does.
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The simplest thing that can REALLY solve blade removal issue is...

When the knife if mounted on the rifle and you impale someone with it. Then you fire a bullet into the body before attempting to remove the knife/bayonet. That will end most all suction issues most of the time. Why you say, because you have just ventilated the body cavity. In that case there won't be much (if any) force required to remove the blade from the body.

But firing a shot in a situation such as that is not always the best idea. Why fire a shot if you don't have to. That would give away your position. Not to mention the last thing you need is a steady stream of bodies to bayonet. You may have run out of ammo, so why use a blade that can't be removed quickly and easily.

But please, don't take my word for it. As I am sure you won't anyway. Go test for yourself. Purchase two really large Watermelons, and get two really larges knives. One with a channel and one without, and stab both melons sending the blade in all the way to the hilt.

That was kinda easy wasn't it. Now try to pull it out. If you used a knife with a blade the sticks out the other side then you have cheated, cause most combat knives aren't long enough to go all the way through. Would be nice to have a blade that long because it would self-ventilate wouldn't it. But a combat knife/ bayonet needs to be short for many reasons.

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Not to change the subject, but why can't I edit my post?
The edit button is not there anymore. Is that on purpose or has something happened?

R

Triple post merged.
You cant edit posts in DEV journal.
-GrayeKnight

SuperArmy · Post by **SuperArmy** » 2008-03-23 20:16

the groves are for to prevent the blade getting stuck inside the body.... its to prevent suction. IF you still dont believe us watch the first episode of 'Ross Kemp in Afghanistan' They talk about what each part of the bayonet does.

Cyrax-Sektor · Post by **Cyrax-Sektor** » 2008-03-23 20:54

Rico11b wrote:Not to change the subject, but why can't I edit my post?
The edit button is not there anymore. Is that on purpose or has something happened?

R

I don't think you can edit posts in the Dev Journal. I realized I could edit on other forums, but not this one.

robbo · Post by **robbo** » 2008-03-23 21:39

Guy on Ross kemp says and i quote "....along the side here lower back is what we call the blood drains" he is then rudely interupted by Ross and says to stop suction.