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I too, have never seen this happening. But if it's a major issue on some servers, perhaps adding +120/180 seconds of spawntime if you CHOOSE to teamswitch? That wouldn't be a huge issue if you wanted to teamswitch for legit reasons (having that extra time might equal a smoke, glass of water etc), but those who abused the new 5 min rule would perhaps not have enough time to get the kit.

jozi02 wrote:Just remove possibility to request HAT by BLUFOR on certain insurgency maps - they don't need it anyway and it would stop such exploits.

Not necessary... Just hope admins police their servers and if you see it report it.

AgentMongoose wrote:Simple prevention would be a 2 or 3 minute time where you can't request or pickup kits after team switching should prevent this.

This will me so unfair to other ones who change teams to join their clans/mates.

Actually I did not see anything like this either bu it sounds possible. And also I don't think it is that much easy.

First of all in the crowded servers you'll have team balance problem. You may need to wait for a place. Then you have to join a squad and be lucky that HAT/sniper is available which is not so easy. Then you'll go back if still there is a place...bla bla...

so much work.. who does that should really be a desperate.

Me and my squad set up and defended a firebase in the VCP on Al Basrah last night, the HAT kit dealt with big red as it approached. The AT weapons have their use even on Insurgency.

jozi02 wrote:Just remove possibility to request HAT by BLUFOR on certain insurgency maps - they don't need it anyway and it would stop such exploits.

I'm pretty sure i have seen a DEV saying that its not possible without adding "new" faction, which will make the files bigger, but dont qoute on me.
im pretty sure adding only 2 minutes of waiting till you can spawn/pickup kit or so can fix it, since he allready gets extra time for suciding and dying+time to get to kit.

Doubt this is a big problem. But if it does happen, it's instant ban. Period. Cheating is bannable, wether by hacks or by exploiting something ingame like that. If someone does this stunt, they know how the game works and know how it also is supposed to work.

Teamwork is key to this game. Work against that and the player is gone.

Protector wrote:I don't think its a major issue especially as it must be a tiny ammount of people who are sad enough to do this! We love the 5 minutes for dropped kits please don't change

Griefers ragers pedos, its always a tiny amount of people.

I think that the five minutes lasting kits should be balanced by a slower kit switch. It should take 10-20 seconds for you to switch kits. So you have to stand on top of the kit for 20 seconds untill you get it. Currently it feels a little spammy, as kits accumilate. Its too easy to find blufor weapons as an insurgent. Its too easy to find patches.

i think the easiset way to this is mkae the spawn time for switching team 5 minutes becasue people really shouldint be switching teams anway specilly in insurgency.

I only agree with people swithcing team if a freind is on the other team or at the very start of the match.

Yea its certainly rewarding, but I would never do that just because Im too lazy to switch two times only for a HAT kit. That is a PAIN IN MAH ***!

myles wrote:i think the easiset way to this is mkae the spawn time for switching team 5 minutes becasue people really shouldint be switching teams anway specilly in insurgency.

Right so those clans who join half way through a match and are stuck on opposite teams should wait 5 mins when they switch to spawn because 1 idiot guy stole a rocket kit which hasn't even been proven... People want to play the game, it takes long enough to join a game and then you want them to wait 5 more minutes to play!

Protector wrote:because 1 idiot guy stole a rocket kit which hasn't even been proven...

Personally I haven't seen this happen (yet), but a I've been told by a person I trust that it happens. He saw HAT kits getting rolled to taliban side on Archer.

Remember that it's been less than a month from the release and we're already starting to see this kind of behaviour and over time it will become more popular.

clueless_noob wrote: Remember that it's been less than a month from the release and we're already starting to see this kind of behaviour and over time it will become more popular.

It's been barely two weeks, not a month (check your calendar) and it may become popular or it will die down when the new release hype goes away and idiots leave for vBF2.

It is not a tactic, it is not fair and I will certainly not try it. I'm certain that 99% of admins around would swiftly deal with these idiots.

@Moon Chaser, is it really that punishing to play with a regular kit for a couple of minutes? Haha, come on!

Protector wrote:Right so those clans who join half way through a match and are stuck on opposite teams should wait 5 mins when they switch to spawn because 1 idiot guy stole a rocket kit which hasn't even been proven... People want to play the game, it takes long enough to join a game and then you want them to wait 5 more minutes to play!

Its not just that think about for example pretend the game is insurgencey and im on the insurgent team and my friend has just joined the game and he is on blufor so now i want to join blufor. Now think about how much intellegence i have in my brain i know exact location of caches and unkoewn caches hideouts where snipers are hiding and maybe plans of squads.
If i told this to team we would completley kill them.


What im trying to say is people should not switch team at all think about how much knowledege i had about the enemy team and this what people actuallly do they switch team tell vital info about where everthing is so thats why it should by 5 mins.

Ha on Archer that would be jokes! You could give the Taliban 2 Hats, 2 AAs and a couple of other LMGS and LATS and they would be unstoppable.

might try that sometime.... jks!

myles wrote: Now think about how much intellegence i have in my brain i know exact location of caches and unkoewn caches hideouts where snipers are hiding and maybe plans of squads.
If i told this to team we would completley kill them.

This will happen with players whether they switch or not they will give up intel... This happened on a server I was on.

I noticed the caches were getting destroyed within minutes of eachother with out any intel, i thought to myself this is very strange and checked the player listings, it turned out [MIF] had an APC squad on blufor and one member on insurgent... I pulled them up on it they said the RPG's drew them in to each cache and their player switched from ins to blufor, now they would never admit to what they had done but we lost around 4 caches in as many minutes.

i love the 5 minute kit life. However, I have also noticed people doing this on our server (HARDCORE) and it makes me livid. Not all the other Hardcore admins would agree with me on this, but I'm kicking anyone who takes a HAT out of main on insurgency and banning people that lose them purposely. Not all of our admins will kick you for grabbing a hat, but I will. It is the only way i know to slow this exploit that is becoming much more common.

IT IS NOT REALISTIC FOR INSURGENTS TO BE ABLE TO RE-ARM BLUFOR KITS OFF A CACHE. Why and how would an insurgent have a spare Javeline, 5.56, 7.62X51, .338, LAW, At-4, etc...... you get my point. I hope to hell that we are striving for realism, not an arcade game that is even for everyone.

ive never seen somebody using this "exploid" but i think it isnt such a big deal as everyone is saying.
Its pretty easy for an admin to check the kits of the bluefor and to keep an eye on the guys taking HAT kits.
On the servers i usually play, whenever there is a marine taking a HAT kit its triggering a big discussion about that.
And if there were evidence, that this person is going to give away the kit to the ins it would be prevented by an admin.