Wait what? (Bradley protection)

[Jaymz]

Well, the issue that's highlighted here is the fact that we don't have an advanced material setup on APC's/IFV's. We have a few different materials we use for their armour, so it's way better than in vBF2, but it's not as in-depth as the damage systems we have on our Tanks.

The BTR60 need to hit the Bradley with 70 bullets before it explodes.
The Bradley need to hit the BTR60 with 67 granades.
(From the .con-files)

APC damage is seriusly wrong.

Can you show me how you reached those numbers?

It's way more complicated than looking at the projectile damage VS the vehicle's hitpoints. You have to take explosion damage and material multipliers into account. I would give you the real numbers myself if my computer was available.

[dtacs]

We are using the M2A2/M3A2 if not A3 model.

From Global Security again,

"M2A2 / M3A2 Up to 30-mm cannon "

In that case yeah, Hunt3r is right in saying it should only be minor spall.

On Seagle there are 4 vanilla BTR-80's that spawn in A1 near the tanks, but if the only thing they can (or should be able to) really penetrate is trucks and choppers, I think that adding a few more 80-A's to the mix would balance it out.

[Hunt3r]

The issue is that the 14.5mm HMGs can pretty much kill a Bradley as fast as the 30mm 2A72 can on the BMP and BTR-80A.

[Drunkenup]

The issue is that the 14.5mm HMGs can pretty much kill a Bradley as fast as the 30mm 2A72 can on the BMP and BTR-80A.

Someone needs to test this out if you're experiencing this. Because the 14.5 should have to take a while if it tries itself at a M2A2.

[dtacs]

Testing this **** is too hard, need training mode back

[Hunt3r]

Well if the PRSP vehicles have the same armor as normal PRMP vehicles, then it should be relatively easy, no?

[nedlands1]

Well, the issue that's highlighted here is the fact that we don't have an advanced material setup on APC's/IFV's. We have a few different materials we use for their armour, so it's way better than in vBF2, but it's not as in-depth as the damage systems we have on our Tanks.



Can you show me how you reached those numbers?

It's way more complicated than looking at the projectile damage VS the vehicle's hitpoints. You have to take explosion damage and material multipliers into account. I would give you the real numbers myself if my computer was available.

BTR-80

Armour
hitPoints 1200
defaultMaterial 172
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 0 HullFront 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 1 HullTop 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 2 HullRear 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 3 Glass 1018
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 4 HullSides 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 5 HullBottom 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 6 HeavyRubber 102
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 7 Wreck 60

Gun
ROF: 550 (600)
explosionMaterial 3710
explosionRadius 2
explosionDamage 20
material 3710
damage 145
Damage mod (3710 vs 27): 0.125
Damage mod (3710 vs 172): 0

Damage per shot (vs Bradley): 18.125
Damage per second (vs Bradley): 181.25
Shots to kill a Bradley: 67
Time to kill a Bradley: 6.7 seconds

M2A2

Armour
hitPoints 1200
defaultMaterial 172
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 0 Armor_3_tank_rear_top 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 1 Armor_5_tank_front 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 2 Armor_4_tank_sides 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 3 penetrable_glass 1018
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 4 Armor_2_light_armored_vehicles 27
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 5 cloth_penetrable 1016
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 6 Penetrable_Metal_plating 1014
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 7 Penetrable_Cardboardbox 1015
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 8 Tank_tracks 86
ObjectTemplate.mapMaterial 9 wreck 60

Gun
ROF: 200
explosionMaterial 3704
explosionRadius 1
explosionDamage 40
material 3704
damage 90
Damage Mod (3704 vs 27): 0.55
Damage Mod (3704 vs 172): 0.025


Damage per shot (vs BTR-80): 50.5
Damage per second (vs BTR-80): 168 1/3
Shots to kill a BTR-80/A: 24
Time to kill a BTR-80/A: 7.2 seconds

[Jaymz]

Good work, Neddy.

Just one thing....Are you taking into consideration how the explosion damage works? Explosion damage only damages default materials so it will work off a different multiplier. But if you tested in-game that means it works out to be the same anyway I guess.

[nedlands1]

Good work, Neddy.

Just one thing....Are you taking into consideration how the explosion damage works? Explosion damage only damages default materials so it will work off a different multiplier. But if you tested in-game that means it works out to be the same anyway I guess.

No I wasn't. Your method gives better results. It appears that vehicles exploding near one another do large amounts of damage. I'll update the previous post.

[Jaymz]

Ok, probably best to ask MA's what they think it should be. No sources are going to state what sustained 14.5mm fire would do to vehicles that have a 14.5mm protection rating.

EDIT : Appears they were asked this very question in December 08, but never got around to answering. We were in a big release cycle back then so it was probably overshadowed by more important things. Anyway, thread purpose served, we'll look into it.