=HOG=Hardcore Gaming *Official Feedback Thread*

[xpugur]

ugurTheTURK, i was playing yesterday and today, but did not got kick from the game... but now when i try to join it says i got kicked from server??? wth? i did nothing wrong ??

can you please unban me, or at least tell me the reason.. there are only a few servers left active and i got banned from one of the active servers????


ED?T::: ok it got fixed now i can join... any idea why i couldnt join? or was there a special event that only some players can join?

[Tajulek]

This is getting out of hand. Wondering which point of the ruleset HOG admins will claim to have been violated.

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[Suchar]

Wondering which point of the ruleset HOG admins will claim to have been violated.

But hey, they don't need to.

[Rabbit]

But hey, they don't need to.

It would be funny if devs just started black listing some hog devs because they decided to for whatever reason because its their game.

[triple]

Admin BoxKiller spent his time using !fly command for like 30minutes on a griefer/hacker rather than just banning him. He also teamswitched him the whole game and kept on spamming the upper-left hud corner meanwhile other admins were just watching.

[=MeRk= BluFFeR]

Admin BoxKiller spent his time using !fly command for like 30minutes on a griefer/hacker rather than just banning him. He also teamswitched him the whole game and kept on spamming the upper-left hud corner meanwhile other admins were just watching.

Other admins were not just watching,there was more going on than you know. And there was a reason the Griefer was being flung around and switched for 30mins.

I know, I was one of those "other" admins.....

[triple]

Other admins were not just watching,there was more going on than you know. And there was a reason the Griefer was being flung around and switched for 30mins.

I know, I was one of those "other" admins.....

The same admin that got him flying and teamswitched for 30min said he could do this all day and kept talking with !s like the griefer was his pal or something. If that happened one or two time, okay I get it, but come on, it lasted at least 30 good minutes.

Just do your job and ban the griefer, it's less spam for everyone and quicker than anything. Don't start the "there was more going on" theory.

[Danesh_italiano]

The same admin that got him flying and teamswitched for 30min said he could do this all day and kept talking with !s like the griefer was his pal or something. If that happened one or two time, okay I get it, but come on, it lasted at least 30 good minutes.

Just do your job and ban the griefer, it's less spam for everyone and quicker than anything. Don't start the "there was more going on" theory.

Ban the griefer and he will be back in 5 minutes. Keeping him on the server and not able of doing anything for 30minutes is more efficient...

Like, trolling a griefer with his own poison...

[LiPOTO]

Why is HOG faking having admins on? For several hours today admins didn't respond to reports, didn't kick AFKs, cheaters, mumble spammers, zero commands apart from changing maps. All the other servers have to shut down when they have no admins, under the threat of having their license removed, but you guys just go AFK and act like you are there. What a joke. It's like a minecraft anarchy server. Several times in the past months you've either had no admins, or one AFK guy on PRISM. Server still up and running, griefers and cheaters running wild.

I've been told my opinion is not needed, but let me ask you, are you trying to kill the game? Imagine being a new player and the first server you come across is yours. I would uninstall.

[lespyd]

Your first sentence sets up the tone. It's a silly tone. "Zero commands apart from changing maps". So, not fake? Doesn't add up. Either way, mumble spam is annoying, our recent server changes cleared the Mumble admin list, we'll build that back up (one of the admins in your screenshot was asking for permissions which we need to grant in a not simple way so he was aware, just couldn't do anything about it).

Your last paragraph: Nice tone, again. Maybe check our forums and see people coming back from hiatus, and connecting with the community. I'm happy to see that, sorry you don't feel like we're helping the game.

[LiPOTO]

Can you stop referring to my tone and start referring to the issue at hand? Who asked about YOUR players coming back from a hiatus? Do you not care for totally new players at all? You know damn well if your server is the only one seeded, people are forced to join it if they want to play a "normal" match of PR (as normal as it can be without admins). Your tone sounds way sillier because you do not care. Anybody with a clan and fifty bucks a month could do what you people are doing, the difference is most people take your server as a cautionary tale and actually have some respect for the experience of the remainder of the playerbase. Every time someone complains, you just try to look like you are responsible for nothing, like people make a choice to play on your server when in reality, it's the only option a lot of the time.

After making my first post the server ran Sbeneh Skirmish with 90 people on... if you're meaning to tell me this was on purpose and that the admins were online, that's really laughable.

[PBAsydney]

Hitreg yesterday was pretty good tho.

[CheeseToast]

Can you stop referring to my tone and start referring to the issue at hand? Who asked about YOUR players coming back from a hiatus? Do you not care for totally new players at all? You know damn well if your server is the only one seeded, people are forced to join it if they want to play a "normal" match of PR (as normal as it can be without admins). Your tone sounds way sillier because you do not care. Anybody with a clan and fifty bucks a month could do what you people are doing, the difference is most people take your server as a cautionary tale and actually have some respect for the experience of the remainder of the playerbase. Every time someone complains, you just try to look like you are responsible for nothing, like people make a choice to play on your server when in reality, it's the only option a lot of the time.

After making my first post the server ran Sbeneh Skirmish with 90 people on... if you're meaning to tell me this was on purpose and that the admins were online, that's really laughable.

Bro quit trying to reason with them. They won't change cause they know the Devs wont actually enforce that rule.

[SemlerPDX]

All the other servers have to shut down when they have no admins, under the threat of having their license removed, but you guys just go AFK and act like you are there.

I am only here to post that this statement is entirely incorrect. To be clear, I'm fully aware of what is in the license, like any license holder, and just reviewed it again in it's entirety to see if there was anything that could be misconstrued to give someone the impression that the quoted statement above is correct. There is nothing, and it is not.

No servers have to shut down when they have no admins online by terms of the server license agreement. We all have systems in place to deal with lapses in direct Admin involvement including the in-game report function (!r) as well as our websites, discords, and/or these forums to address player issues, concerns, and reports.

Your focus should be on this - when you are playing a match with players breaking the rules, report them in-game, and if you are willing, also report them directly to the Server Admins through their preferred contact method. Understandable to be frustrated, but turn that into something constructive to help out rather than just leveling repudiation.

[Suchar]

[...]if the server does go without admins, it should always be killed with !stopserver and the server population informed. Servers without admins cannot be allowed [...] We need you to train your admins to kill the server when the last admin leaves.[...] Failure to comply with this guideline will result in temporarily blacklisting[...]

It is part of a message sent by Mineral. I don't know where it was originally posted, I guess it was sent as a PM to all license administrators since I can't find it on the forum.
(@Edit: It must be somewhere on the forum judging from another part of it - will link it once I find it)

Moreover, the license itself says:

You are responsible for the proper administration and management of your server(s) in a fair and friendly way

'Proper administration' also means that there must be some kind of administration - it can't be non-existent.

[CAS_ual_TY]

Go report to non-existent admins boiiiiiiiii

[SemlerPDX]

It is part of a message sent by Mineral. I don't know where it was originally posted, I guess it was sent as a PM to all license administrators since I can't find it on the forum.
(@Edit: It must be somewhere on the forum judging from another part of it - will link it once I find it)

Wow. Keep looking there, Suchar. That's kindof important.

If this is part of the License Agreement, then it needs to be part of the License Agreement on account of that's how License Agreements work. Those of us who like to run servers do our best to comply with these things and to support the devs and greater community as a whole.
Am I taking crazy pills?

Just checked through 3 different inboxes spanning a decade and came up empty - maybe I missed something. Please keep looking for that, I would like to be sure you are not missing anything on a relative contextual level, etc.


When have any PR Servers had at least one Admin online at all times 24/7, 365? How many PR Servers remain online 24/7 365 days/year? We've been doing the COOP thing at VG for ten years, and we're an international community like many here, but there can be two to few hours between one Admin going offline and the next one coming online... Never has anyone ever stated to me or anyone at VG that the last PR Admin leaving to go to bed had to take the ball with him and kick all the kids off the playground. Servers like ours devolve into chaos less than 20% of the time when a PR Admin is offline, and run just fine for a majority of the time.

That would literally kill the game. And this has never been the standard for any server AFAIK - to kick out players enjoying the game just because the last Admin had to run out to dinner. Should we take a poll here?

Do you, Suchar, make sure your server is offline every time the last Admin leaves the server, to be turned online again once the next Admin wants to join and start playing?

Moreover, the license itself says:

'Proper administration' also means that there must be some kind of administration - it can't be non-existent.

Given everything I wrote in my previous reply regarding the number of routes that players have to deal with disruptive players, in what way would we be expected to assume that the server being online for a period between the last PR Admin leaving and the next one joining would fall under the category of not being properly administrated, that this would be considered bringing PR into disrepute?

Let's not split hairs here and pay attention to the clearly obvious spirit of this license in that servers require a sufficient PR Admin base and need to provide a means to their players to deal with issues in a fair and friendly way through preferred contact methods of their choosing. Like others, our server can have Admins online in TS3/Discord but perhaps not in game at the time, and we emphasize that to players over time. Many routes for help.

Even in it's peak, PR had plenty of servers with periods of absence between Admins on the server, that's just the randomness of life and our many different regional time zones. Does not matter that the population as a whole is less than it was.... would be unwise to shut down servers between one Admin logging out and another logging in. I would feel terrible for the players if that was a standard on any PR Server anywhere.

[Wicca]

PRTA turns of their server every time the last admin leaves. This was an instruction we got from Mineral via PM, as did all other server admins. It is a core part of our admin guidelines to do this.

[SemlerPDX]

This was an instruction we got from Mineral via PM, as did all other server admins.

If this is part of the License Agreement, then it needs to be part of the License Agreement on account of that's how License Agreements work.

Just sayin, is all.

[Mineral]

Indeed I sent out a PM a pretty long time ago to direct servers at the time to take better care of a few things. Amongst it was to better keep up with admins and server uptime.

However, I agree with you that indeed something like that needs to be part of the license if we want to enforce it longer term. New license owners are obviously not aware of a pm a year ago.

When eventually we update to v1.6 it is actually going to be in there amongst the changes to the license.