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Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 17:07
by H.sta
[R-DEV]Z-trooper wrote: The point being, that almost every other western nation uses a .50 as a material destruction rifle - most of them probably also more frequently used as a sniper - but you don't see these nations having the weapon implemented in PR given my previous statements.

Unless those rifles were MØR's then no. The M82 fulfils the role of material destruction (hence the MØR designation), not sharpshooting which I assume was the role of the NM149 and AWM.

first part, the other nations have other rifles aswell... easy as that, we don't

second part, as I explained before, the MØR is not only used against vehicles and such but has also taken over the role of the NM149 as the sniper, the HK416 has taken over the role the NM149 had as something in between the sniper and the DMR

the AWM is not even a point discussing, it was purchased in small numbers for use by special forces. having that would be like us having the Magnum .44 becouse some of the guys in Svalbard use it to protect themselfs from polar bears


not trying in any way to start a discussion or anything like that, i remember perfectly well how it used to be, so I personally i don't know if I like it or not, and i relaly see the problem with people suggesting putting it in the hands of every other faction aswell

but still, the only major diffference from bolt action rifles in gameplay will be the fact that it is semi-auto, and the bullet acts as if you fired a single shot from a M2. I don't believe in removing realism to prevent noobtarding... and hopefully it will be one more thing that will make people want to play as norwegians, as will the CB90 and the awsome other stuff we are making :D

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 17:09
by Silly_Savage
No, Z-trooper, you are not alone...

I remember those days, those, cold...dark days. *shudders*

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 17:27
by richyrich55
Implement a better system for aquiring the .50 and you wont have that problem.

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 17:29
by Jaymz
There are other ways to balance the fact that the M82 is the sniper rifle of the Norwegian Forces. Such as a limit of 1 instead of 2 like other conventional forces. The power of the British L115's .338 Lapua rounds has been modelled in-game for several versions now (1 shot 1 kill to any body part).
richyrich55 wrote:Implement a better system for aquiring the .50 and you wont have that problem.
I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you have clicked the "edit" button and are now elaborating on your suggestion.

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 17:41
by Naruto-kun
Being Norwegian just went from Awesome to Epic! :D

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 17:56
by Priby
[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:There are other ways to balance the fact that the M82 is the sniper rifle of the Norwegian Forces. Such as a limit of 1 instead of 2 like other conventional forces. The power of the British L115's .338 Lapua rounds has been modelled in-game for several versions now (1 shot 1 kill to any body part).
Why does it need balancing?
Its still just a weapon that kills with one shot.
Maybe hand out the NM149 if you right-click on the selection menu.

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 18:01
by pleym
H.sta wrote: .........
but still, the only major diffference from bolt action rifles in gameplay will be the fact that it is semi-auto, and the bullet acts as if you fired a single shot from a M2. I don't believe in removing realism to prevent noobtarding... and hopefully it will be one more thing that will make people want to play as norwegians, as will the CB90 and the awsome other stuff we are making :D
The difference is that the M2 are normally mounted and the recoil isnt that big, but you will have to "re aim" at your targets with the M82, and you cant keep the same rate of fire as the M2, cause you will lose the control and just missing on everything.. An other thing is that the ammo is heavy so you will probably not be able to carry more than around 40 rounds = 4 magazines. So will probably need a Rifleman (spotter) to help you. so co-op will be usefull here..

I think it will be nice, snipers and special kits are "n00b" magnets no matter what, anyways.. A MG3 will be a way better than a sniper anyway cause of the rate of fire.. but you also need those sniper sneaks to take down single targets some times whithout blowing their cover with a bullet rain :p

Guys you need to see the ingame weapons in its entirety, the sniper is just a small part a teams equipment. Peopels need to realice that all factions use different weapons. Some factions got better assault rifles other better Heavy ATs with controllable missiles etc. or better vehicles what so ever .

The only attack plane Norway have is the F-16.. USA have: A-10, F-16, Cobra, Apache, Littelbird with minigun and hydras, attack Huey..

Guys dont let a sniper rifle "tilt you of the stick"... all assets are attracting n00bs some how :p

I hope you understand where I want :p

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 18:05
by pleym
Priby wrote:Why does it need balancing?
Its still just a weapon that kills with one shot.
Maybe hand out the NM149 if you right-click on the selection menu.
Yes I planned to use the left and right click system for several weapons for a long time ago. Just check this link:

Norewegian kit list

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 18:39
by ReadMenace
'[R-COM wrote:pleym;1359340']Image

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That appears to be a Benelli Nova Tactical. :? :

Very excited though -- will the US Army be getting the 590 w/out aimpoint? :-D

-REad

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 18:44
by pleym
'[R-CON wrote:ReadMenace;1359737']Image

That appears to be a Benelli Nova Tactical. :? :

Very excited though -- will the US Army be getting the 590 w/out aimpoint? :-D

-REad
I know its the Benelli Nova tactical (pump action), but I had no free resources to start crating a lot of new models, but shotguns are shotguns :p not so often used as the main assault rifles :p

The main focus is the vehicle, main weapons, maps and just get the faction done :p
So can we upgrade with new stuff in the future like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that will come within 2018 I think :p

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 19:19
by Bragonfly
God dammit... drool everywhere

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 19:35
by richyrich55
[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Jaymz;1359669']There are other ways to balance the fact that the M82 is the sniper rifle of the Norwegian Forces. Such as a limit of 1 instead of 2 like other conventional forces. The power of the British L115's .338 Lapua rounds has been modelled in-game for several versions now (1 shot 1 kill to any body part).

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you have clicked the "edit" button and are now elaborating on your suggestion.[/quote]

To that I say,

[quote="richyrich55""]...you're going to make it available once a round or maybe only have one kit per team per...I don't know, 10 minutes or if you want to get a good joke in, make it available every 12.7 minutes :-P [/quote]

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 19:56
by SGT.Ice
[R-COM]pleym wrote:If you think that the M82A1 50. cal sniper will rape vehicles you have a problem :p The high rate of fire wont be posible because you are losing the aim. I think you use 30 rounds from the M2 Browning 50. cal machinge gun to take down a car/truck what ever.

That means you will have to shoot out 3 magazines to kill a vehicle, and if your keeping an high fire rate, you just lose the aim on the target.. so I thin you should wait with shooting like you do with the other Snipers that are ingame now. The only difference is that you dont have bolt action on this 50. cal sniper, but the recoil is still there.

So my advice aim at the windows if you wanna kill some one in a vehicle.

The Norwegian Snipers will be there to support the normal infantery. Because we only have aimpoint and a 3x zoom magnifier we can add on the rear on our Hk 416s and AG3s. So an long range will be usefull :p

It might be n00b magnet, but than you better take it before the n00bs..

Team work is the way to Victory!
You forget to take into account how fast that bullet from the M82A1 is traveling and what it is typically used for which is ordinance and sometimes AP.

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 21:19
by pleym
SGT.Ice wrote:You forget to take into account how fast that bullet from the M82A1 is traveling and what it is typically used for which is ordinance and sometimes AP.
Specifications for the Barrett M82

Operation:
Action: Recoil Operated; Rotating Bolt
Cartridge: .50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO)
Feed System: 10-Round Detachable Box Magazine
Muzzle Velocity: 2,799ft/sec (853m/sec)
Cyclic Rate-of-Fire: 10 rds/min
Effective Range: 1,800m
Sights: Adjustable Rear; Fixed Front; MIL-STD-1913 Accessories Rail


Dimensions:

Overall Length: 1,450mm (57.09in)
Barrel Length: 508mm (20.00in)
Empty Weight: 13.6kg (29.98lbs)

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 21:21
by Hunt3r
It would have the same amount of smacktardery if you threw in the M110 for the US Army.

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 21:34
by Jaymz
richyrich55 wrote:To that I say,
Didn't see your previous post. My apologies.

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 22:03
by boom50cal
Muzzle Velocity: 2,799ft/sec (853m/sec)
Dang! A ~650 grain projectile traveling at .243 Winchester Muzzle Velocities! Can't wait for all this stuff. Especially the boat :D

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 22:07
by jbgeezer
That's alot of awesome stuff right there. :D

Dunno what to say about M82 though. I'm not overexited that this infamous weapon has made it into PR, but I hope we can show all the n00bs that it doesn't work like it does in CoD. But still, I have to admit it sounds quite tempting to request sniper while playing as Norway when that faction is ready. :P

And yeah, I lol'd at the "Samekniv". Is that standard issue? I thought "AG bajonett" was :P

Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 22:15
by pleym
Exported by [R-COM]Hauteclocque.
Crated by Lemon

This knife is used by many of the Norwegian units, the Border guards, Special Forces, home guard etc.. and by some guys here in CSS where i am :p

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Re: Mossberg 590, M82A1, Dressing

Posted: 2010-06-05 22:47
by McBumLuv
'[R-COM wrote:pleym;1359853']Specifications for the Barrett M82

Operation:
Action: Recoil Operated; Rotating Bolt
Cartridge: .50 BMG (12.7x99mm NATO)
Feed System: 10-Round Detachable Box Magazine
Muzzle Velocity: 2,799ft/sec (853m/sec)
Cyclic Rate-of-Fire: 10 rds/min
Effective Range: 1,850ft (564m; 617yds)
Sights: Adjustable Rear; Fixed Front; MIL-STD-1913 Accessories Rail
Wait, are these the expected ingame values or the ones IRL? I'm pretty sure if it's the RL variant than that the effective range's value should be in the meter unit.