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Tim270 wrote:This is not a MBT...

He never said it was, but for the point of PR this vehicle is going to always be the last to be taken and the first to be destroyed. Its a good and awesome model though.

No infantry squad in their right mind would even think of taking one of these when there is a BTR or BMP alternative avaliable, its suicide when .50 fire and 25mm fire will completely destroy it, added to that its main gun is the Russian/MEC tank/APC coaxial. The missile version however has a chance at being used simply because it has a HEAT missile available too.

I pray that the BMP-3 isn't going to be replaced on Kashan by two seperate vehicles of the gun/missile variety.

But if its going to feature in more 16 player layers (EG US get Strykers, MEC get MT-LBs) then it could work, since its more balanced.

dtacs wrote: But if its going to feature in more 16 player layers (EG US get Strykers, MEC get MT-LBs) then it could work, since its more balanced.

I think better idea take to MEC BTR60!
My idea - make standart MT-LB as Supply vehicle(2 seats and 1 or 2 supply crates + repair,without CSB) like IDF M113!
It's have balance,cuz PKT is not better MG to attack enemies,against any vehicle they are useless!

NSVT version would be nice,but anyway there no have speed,what have wheeled vehicles.

No infantry squad in their right mind would even think of taking one of these when there is a BTR or BMP alternative avaliable, its suicide when .50 fire and 25mm fire will completely destroy it, added to that its main gun is the Russian/MEC tank/APC coaxial. The missile version however has a chance at being used simply because it has a HEAT missile available too.

think of it as an equivalent of a humvee then

[R-CON]Rudd wrote:think of it as an equivalent of a humvee then

A very slow humvee, but yea

60km/h max speed is not that slow

and ampbibious! whats the speed in the water?

[R-CON]Rudd wrote:and ampbibious!

has me hooked

stealth420 wrote:ONE SABOT ROUND is all it takes to take those out , LOL even a heat round willl take those out in one shot. It looks like the MEC will be getting weaker with these vehicles, what the need is the newest class of russian tanks, I think there called the T90M1 Tanks and they kick some serious *** with there armor package and latest shell auto-loading technoligies.

Read from battles in Desert storm, M1A1's were taking out these in one shot, burning everyone inside alive, in some cases the crew made it out while they were on fire and after about 30 minutes of burning alive all that was left was black powder and bones on the ground.

Russian T90s and MEC T72s already kick enough *** compared to M1A1's theyre facing.
Taking out an Abrams with one ATGM (to the tracks/engine) and then disabling a second Abrams with 2 AP rounds.

BTW, does MT-LB provide protection vs 50cal like teh BTR80?

[R-CON]Rudd wrote:and ampbibious! whats the speed in the water?

Where do you actually see water in kashan? ??:

suprisingly, kashan isn't the only map in PR

the BMP-3 is amphibious too you know...oh and so is the BDRM

basicly all russian vehicles are amphibious, apart from the MBTs, they even build an amphibious artillery

[R-CON]Rudd wrote:think of it as an equivalent of a humvee then

That takes 2 crewmen kits and goes slower and still dies to .50 fire and probably one RPG

I don't know, its a good model but its unfortunately an impractical (PR wise) vehicle. Although I haven't used it yet....

dtacs wrote:He never said it was, but for the point of PR this vehicle is going to always be the last to be taken and the first to be destroyed. Its a good and awesome model though.

Point I was trying to make - This cannot be compared with a MBT, scoffing at the fact it can be taken out by a tank shell etc.

Im looking forward to driving/gunning this. That low silhouette should come in handy

It's a Russian vehicle and therefore it is Badass. End of story!

Tim270 wrote:Point I was trying to make - This cannot be compared with a MBT, scoffing at the fact it can be taken out by a tank shell etc.

Im looking forward to driving/gunning this. That low silhouette should come in handy

I don't think he meant to compare it to an MBT but rather point out how flimsy it is. Its simply not worth the risk and two crewman kits. My prediction it will become like the .50 cal Chinese APC - a fun oddity at first, but annoyingly impractical and rageworthy over time

dtacs wrote:I don't think he meant to compare it to an MBT but rather point out how flimsy it is. Its simply not worth the risk and two crewman kits. My prediction it will become like the .50 cal Chinese APC - a fun oddity at first, but annoyingly impractical and rageworthy over time

wow, seriously.

its an addition, its not like all the BMP3s are getting replaced with this thing. It'll have its own role, it'll work better on the layers designed for infantry, the fact it'll feature on Kashan (upon which there is already 1 BDRM, gaskins and logistic trucks) doesn't make this new vehicle any less useful or internesting.

the 50cal chinese APC just needs a map to shine on, one that doesn't feature superior APCs, like Barracuda or somthing

This is just like a Stryker, and the Stryker works well in it's own situation.

Could see this on a layer of Beirut maybe, where the IDF have M113s and the Russians have this.

Anyone thought of using these new tractors as bridge-laying vehicles for those new CSBs? It would offer better protection than supply trucks v. technicals.

Maxfragg wrote:basicly all russian vehicles are amphibious, apart from the MBTs

And even then our tanks can have fording capability up to 5m deep.

Quick question; is the one with the 12.7mm/.50 cal on top a type of CROWS-steering or is the gunner exposed?

Looks great!

They look completely capable of protecting troops from anything but the most deadly of weaponry. But whats up with the cruising speed? I noticed most PR vehicles have only crusing speeds and not IRL speed figures, from what I understand they should be capable of going 60 mph on level/paved terrain.


Edit:

All this talk about BRDMs being removed...

I definately would like to see these replace the Mec Gaskin (though a mapper could have one of these and a Gaskin to offer a choice over protection and profile).

Also BRDMs are scout vehicles. They are better armed/armored than humvees but also are more limited in role. The reason I think the unarmed varient is used as transport is because of the lack of a Mec/Russian 'jeep'. If the Mec/Russian Jeep ever shows up... then I do expect the BRDM to be replaced with its old make out of 4 seats. Just give the vehicle a better zoom, 4x, and camo for maps like Silent Eagle.