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Since there is no feedback thread for this Server I decided to open one up,but maybe the Admins of this Server would like to do this themselves.


The experience with this Server:

No Admins present to enforce a non existing Ruleset
No ruleset
Server name is a clickbait and doesn't even run "urban maps"
Alot of newcommers play on this server and get a horrible wrong experience of PR.

Video evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNpmhAvrlC4

Why is this server being seeded?

yeah how come these servers got a server license? Devs should really do something about this since it really ruins the game and makes people leave.

We cannot have expectations before hand on how a server will be ran... We don't have a cristal ball. But you can trust me, we are looking into it. That said, its always been the policy to let servers be free and not intervene until reaaaaallly necessary.

Contact RDEV Spec for reports on server license issues BTW.

Reported potatochan for false allegations. You dont get to abuse the feedback section to launch attacks on other servers, especially after you spent several minutes on my server advertising your own.




https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f29-pr ... -read.html

Please understand that if you break the forum rules, if you go against the above guidelines or if you start bashing threads or make bashing posts against any individual or server we will give you infraction points immediately.

this does not sound like an attack to your server but to be feedback and a report of the current situation.

please create a new topic for your server with your serverrules and your website for banappeals and we will move those posts.

that way you can edit the first post on your own if you change rules for example

But you know that YOU (or whoever owns this server) HAVE TO provide a Feedback Thread..... and basicly he just wrote feedback to your server.

edit...

I do not have to make a feedback thread. He launched an attack using unfounded allegations:

No Admins present to enforce a non existing Ruleset
No ruleset
Server name is a clickbait and doesn't even run "urban maps"
Alot of newcommers play on this server and get a horrible wrong experience of PR.

All of these are not true. He was on my server, started explaining to how "it's supposed to be run" if it was "to have a future" with an "Or else" attitude.

I am not obliged to disprove his allegations, and I have not broken the license agreement, and I do not have to make a feedback thread. Pluse he broke the forum rules with this:

Alot of newcommers play on this server and get a horrible wrong experience of PR.

This is a high subjective statement packed with weasel words.


Here is my report:

Hello

I take offense in this topic:
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f29-pr ... -maps.html

I run that particular server. First off his allegations are not true. And secondly he was behaving very rudely on it.

1. He kept shouting over mumble that my server is "not the real PR" experience and demanded I kick some players who crashed their helicopters.
However I refuse to ban stone cold newbs from my server because I prefer to foster a friendly atmosphere that is inviting to new players.
And new players trashing hardware because they dont know better yet is something we all went through.

2. He kept shouting for people to join his friends' server. Not going to repeat which server that was because I will not take part in trash talking about some other guys server.

3. I am adming policing my server, but I wont randomly ban people because one particular player demands so.

4. He repeatedly said that if I dont do this and that the server will have no future. Again, not his business to decide for me.

5. I am complying with all license related stuff and if I want to run fools road on my server because I feel like it even though my server runs mostly urban maps then that is within my right.

6. Can you remove that topic? I rather open my own feedback topic if I want to and not have someone use it as an excuse to trash my server's reputation.

Just for clarity:

I do not have to disprove someone else's allegations, especially if that person tells me how to do things on saturday, then he sees my server have 100 people on for the whole next 2 days. And then a "feedback" topic appears with vague allegations and that person appears to be a moderator/admin on another server. I get it, server hosting is competitive on a limited playerbase but resorting to trash talk like this to discredit other servers is not cool.


Can someone point me to the part of the license agreement that says I am required to to open a feedback topic? Because the license agreement does not mention anything about a feedback topic. And this guy does not get to force my hand to defend my server with a new topic.

Ok you are right. Its not in the agreement. But for real:

The Video he posted was a mess. Automapvote, in Mainbase everything burning and exploding, teamkilling .. do you think thats the way PR is meant to be played and is that how you want your server to be? I know its only a 60 second shot, but alone in this shot 3 burning choppers and many dead people in mainbase. Thats definitifly a wrong expierience of PR.

Sure, many new people are around these days, but didnt look that worse on other servers. Do you have some kind of Homepage for the server to provide feedback and banappeals? Where can i read the rules?

everyone is allowed to post feedback if you dont create your own thread you will have to live with this thread.

Let's not overreact here, give this man some time to familiarize.
We should be happy if there are new server owners joining our small community and provide us with resources. Joining a server and talk it bad is definitely the wrong approach.
The main issues these servers have is the high number of recently joined players. They have no idea about the game and therefore the teamplay on these server is low.
It's the duty of every veteran to try to guide these players and create friendly squads for them, the administration team however should assist as good as they can.

Anyway, there are certain standards we want to achieve and we want to present to the players.
For example there are certain rules that servers have been enforcing for years. These rules aren't set in stone but have proven valuable to increase teamwork and teamplay.
Also, you should really try to increase your administration team. Adminning PR is hard and can not be done alone.
Let me give you 3 simple suggestions that will help you improve your server:

1. Listen to the people who have been server admins for years, they can give you valuable advice
2. Get yourself a basic website or a simple forum so you can organize further steps like increasing your administration team
3. Write a basic ruleset, inspire yourself by rules of other, well known communities

I'm positive nobody wants to harm you and your small community or has something against you personally.
The players complaining are most likely just worried about new players getting a wrong impression of the game. PR is not a game that you simply start and mess around on a server, people need guidance.

I answered your PM stay_cat. One thing to note, you always can ask for help
You'll need more admins, that is for sure. Ask around, ask it live on your server. I suggest not running a full server with only you to admin it. Perhaps lock it to 64p?

You'll need rules, look around, ask around to see what that should be like and tweak it to your liking.

You'll need some type of website. Ask around, host your own, use other format. But you'll need something.

The most important thing is to learn to learn something from this feedback and advice People have been running servers for 10y here and know what they are doing. As I said in the PM, running PR servers isn't easy.

Also, don't feel afraid with all the 'license talk'. We understand that you are new to running PR servers. And normally DEVs never intervene with dedicated servers(which is only normal). But you have to understand as well that it's there for a reason, specially section 8. We want players to experience good PR from the first minute to the last

Hey stray_cat

Maybe you remember me, I joined your server and talked to you for a bit, asking which rules you have in place et cetera. The PR Server Admins from all communities have created a skype group for all of us to discuss things - feel free to join us (See Server Admin Forums) and we'll all be happy to help you out!

Ok you are right. Its not in the agreement. But for real:

The Video he posted was a mess. Automapvote, in Mainbase everything burning and exploding, teamkilling .. do you think thats the way PR is meant to be played and is that how you want your server to be? I know its only a 60 second shot, but alone in this shot 3 burning choppers and many dead people in mainbase. Thats definitifly a wrong expierience of PR.

No admin wants to have a situation like this, but it is not possible to have 100% coverage all the time, so the occasional rampaging asshat might get through the filtering.
But on Sunday and early Monday my server had uninterrupted uptime without crashing for 21 hours and it was packed most of the time( +90 players). If my server was a constant rampage of dead copters, wouldn't you think people would have avoided it instead?

Sure, many new people are around these days, but didnt look that worse on other servers. Do you have some kind of Homepage for the server to provide feedback and banappeals? Where can i read the rules?

The server does have a forum page. The adress is found on the server and ingame commands. But I rather create my own info page and not be forced to do it by potato who had no other intention than to damage the server's reputation.

And I am going to repeat this: Wrecked copters is a thing that will occassionally happen, especially with a huge amount of new players in the game. We all crashed copters as newbs and WE ALL did not read a complete PR manual before we did something stupid in the game. So I refuse to be all elitist about it. And as an admin I can see the difference between someone going on an intentional TK rampage and someone just accidently tking.

PR is not a forgiving game, and some of the features are not that easy to communicate because it is such an old engine. And keep in mind for most new players who never played PR before a lot of features which make sense once you "get it" can be highly frustrating and cryptic at start.

Oh and you wont belive how often I sent admin instructions on copter heavy maps telling new players that copters need a 30 second spin up time.
(Of course that was not shown in the above video)

Automapvote

There was no way I could have known before that there is a bug with the voting system that just keeps repeating. And that was fixed.


But let's all take a step back. I get the advice, but most of this argument here was caused by someone reporting my server for "being not real PR" and it is not my job to disprove that. He should post a 4 hour stream of a match on my server and not use a short video where a bad situation was cherry picked.

It was maybe the wrong approach that potato took, but its difficult for a new server. If i would join an etablished server and would found a situation like this i would take it to their feedback thread so they get their shit togehter. And most of the time its well appriated because the server owners sees "oh we dont got enough admins" or what they should improve.

A feedback thread is a sign that you care about you server and want to know if something went wrong.
Create a Thread or let a mod edit this one, thats the first step. Dont take feedback to personal. You get bad feedback for your server and first thing you do is do report the player instead of asking yourself "could a feedback thread be useful". But you changed your mind on this. Get some more admins, enforce a ruleset, watch for feedback, then maybe your server stays after the postrelease playerhigh.

I'd just like to say i have been playing on cobra mall security for the past few days and I've had a really good experience, there is a reason it is popular and i had a lot of help from veteran pr players (as i am new) with things like controls, building et cetera.

From reading the first page seems like the complaint was in bad faith, but I'm unsure on that.

All i know is that with the amount of active and experienced people in a cobra mall security there is no chance of new players being "put off". This being said improvements can always be made.

I suggest you open a new feedback thread with all the needed informations so this one gets closed and we call start over.
Everyone is here to help!

Curry.

I would like to finalize my forum first. All the shibe gifs wont paint themselves.

There are no PR server rules. You have to make them yourself. There is also no forum section for ban appeals and reports. You'll need your own website for that.

Once again, having a few friends help teach new players is super good of you well done.

But you will still need active admin on each team, for the entirety of the server being up. Do you have that now?

How are you dealing with maps atm? I heard you wanted a randomized map scripts. Which is very inadvisable. PR has difficult game modes that only work with certain player numbers or certain player knowledge. If you are having low numbers or bad players certain game modes should be avoided. A server should also give a player a choose of maps, in the form of map votes. For which you need admins again with enough knowledge of the game.

In all I would focus on the following in the next few days:
-keep the server locked to 64p, this will allow players to adjust to the big maps and high player counts, give you the time to admin and will definitely improve the gameplay.
-shut the server off if last admin leaves. PR players understand this! It's necessary. Otherwise the same map will keep on playing and the server will die out with bad experiences for players.
-be more strict. Obviously you shouldn't ban players left and right for failing. No server does that, but warnings should be used where required. A little slap on the wrist doesn't hurt and helps the player more then it punishes.
-first of all setup a contact place. A website, free forum. Doesn't matter. Somewhere where people can report, appeal and join your team. Then make a server feedback thread with links to that.
-setup a set of PR rules that you want your server to live bye. You can use other servers (check this forum section for other server links) as an example and tweak it.
-find at least a group of 5 to 10 people that can assist you adminning your server; Given it's a popular server right now, I'm sure you'll find a few.

[R-DEV]Mineral wrote:There are no PR server rules. You have to make them yourself. There is also no forum section for ban appeals and reports. You'll need your own website for that.

Once again, having a few friends help teach new players is super good of you well done.

But you will still need active admin on each team, for the entirety of the server being up. Do you have that now?

How are you dealing with maps atm? I heard you wanted a randomized map scripts. Which is very inadvisable. PR has difficult game modes that only work with certain player numbers or certain player knowledge. If you are having low numbers or bad players certain game modes should be avoided. A server should also give a player a choose of maps, in the form of map votes. For which you need admins again with enough knowledge of the game.

In all I would focus on the following in the next few days:
-keep the server locked to 64p, this will allow players to adjust to the big maps and high player counts, give you the time to admin and will definitely improve the gameplay.
-shut the server off if last admin leaves. PR players understand this! It's necessary. Otherwise the same map will keep on playing and the server will die out with bad experiences for players.
-be more strict. Obviously you shouldn't ban players left and right for failing. No server does that, but warnings should be used where required. A little slap on the wrist doesn't hurt and helps the player more then it punishes.
-first of all setup a contact place. A website, free forum. Doesn't matter. Somewhere where people can report, appeal and join your team. Then make a server feedback thread with links to that.
-setup a set of PR rules that you want your server to live bye. You can use other servers (check this forum section for other server links) as an example and tweak it.
-find at least a group of 5 to 10 people that can assist you adminning your server; Given it's a popular server right now, I'm sure you'll find a few.

Agreeing on most points, but not on the 64 limit. 100 players worked well so far. Also keep in mind admins using PRISM do not show as ingame admins. And PRISM crashes very often. Ingame server rules display is already working for 2 days.

Uhm to clarify I wasn't the one to hop on ur server. I just decided to open the feedback thread and receive the shit on it

You're server obviously is a mess currently. But people have posted guidelines here in this thread, hope this can help you.

As I see this thread was an eye opener and it was necessary. false allegations tho? I don't agree.