BAR 1918

[Rabbit]

Stupid thing sucks compared to its counter parts. Painfully long reload time for just 20 rounds and time for it to settle when in bipod is ****. The fg42 is an far superior to it.

[Wicca]

Isn't that realistic though, every gun nut on youtube loves the FG42 and loathes the BAR.

[AlonTavor]

should have lower recoil on undeployed BAR so its at least effective as assault rifle, like the RPK-74

[Rabbit]

Isn't that realistic though, every gun nut on youtube loves the FG42 and loathes the BAR.

The fact that people think the BAR is overrated does nothing to change gameplay mechanics that are a result of choice and not actual function of it.

[Wicca]

From what the gun-nuts said, it was outdated at the start of world war 2.

https://youtu.be/vw3eKWvDGqQ?t=693

I think this is the source.

[Rabbit]

Again, not the issue here.

[Wicca]

The BAR sucks in comparison with the FG42

[Rabbit]

The BAR sucks in comparison with the FG42

That has nothing to do with the choice to give it a stupid long reload time wicca.

[hairyballs]

all the ww2 animations are stupid long

[Frontliner]

That has nothing to do with the choice to give it a stupid long reload time wicca.

Thing is - I don't see anything particularly wrong with its reload in terms how the actual weapon would function though admittedly I don't know for certain. Most weapons in game could argued as either being too slow or too fast depending on whether or not you want reloads to be either be punishing or not.

In the case BAR vs. FG 42 however, the files say reload of one is
ObjectTemplate.ammo.reloadTime 7.9
while for the other it's
ObjectTemplate.ammo.reloadTime 7.375,
when doing "quik maffs" you'll find that's not even a difference of 10%. So, I'd say your complaint of "BAR sucks because reload much longer than the FG42" isn't even correct though of course 0.525 seconds can feel like ages in the wrong situations.

I agree that the FG42 is probably a wee bit too strong the way it is set up right now and I told Camo we better be pretending we use the later "J" model which has(compared to the older G model) a reduced but still high enough ROF for the sake of evening the playing field just a little bit - given that the Germans already have 2 high capacity MGs with an unholy ROF.

[Rabbit]

So, I'd say your complaint of "BAR sucks because reload much longer than the FG42"

I mean, thats not exactly what I am saying. I am saying the BAR sucks already and longer times with it to do things than its counter part make it suck even harder. I'm fine with it having tougher recoil and such, just don't make it suck more than it has to.

[Mats391]

I think the deployed mode needs to be the slow firing one. Not much point in going through deploying it just to have it empty after couple seconds.

[Frontliner]

I mean, thats not exactly what I am saying. I am saying the BAR sucks already and longer times with it to do things than its counter part make it suck even harder. I'm fine with it having tougher recoil and such, just don't make it suck more than it has to.

Actually I think it should receive less recoil given its size and weight since the rounds they fire are roughly similar in their specs but the way LMG recoil is handled in PR has always been a bit meh, same with deviation in deployed mode.

[Rabbit]

Actually I think it should receive less recoil given its size and weight since the rounds they fire are roughly similar in their specs but the way LMG recoil is handled in PR has always been a bit meh, same with deviation in deployed mode.

Dunno, I had trouble shooting it irl, but then again I was like 15.

[CptHrki]

It's not the reload, the recoil should be lower. Even at 450 RPM (or whatever it is) deployed, the sights bounce around like crazy. So not only does it fire extremely slowly, you can't even hit anything, it's just atrocious.

[robert357]

Every weapon in PR bouncing like crazy. BAR, FG42, MGs, STG44 etc. That why there is something called BIPOD and SELECTIVE FIRE. You need use them depending of the situation.

[CptHrki]

Every weapon in PR bouncing like crazy. BAR, FG42, MGs, STG44 etc. That why there is something called BIPOD and SELECTIVE FIRE. You need use them depending of the situation.

I think I've played enough PR to know that, and the deployed mode is what I was talking about. It's literally the most useless AR gun in the game. Even an RPK is easier to aim in bursts than this thing. Fact is, you can't have a gun that fires extremely slowly, does mediocre damage and on top of that can't hit shit deployed past close range and call it adequate.

[M42 Zwilling]

I don't understand the hate for the BAR. Ingame it's a one-shot-kill like the Garand, but with full auto, bigger mags, and deployed mode... and plenty of people already call the Garand OP. I've gotten most of my kills with it by firing single shots, which is easy with the low fire rate. The ability to panic spray full auto at really close range and a deployed mode that works like any other AR in PR make it pretty strong. The FG 42 is even better, but that definitely doesn't make the BAR bad. Any advantage there just helps offset German squads having more bolt actions.

[sweedensniiperr]

Is it intentional that you can't check your magazine?

[UncleSmek]

The BAR is a great rifle, right now i feel its a pretty good match to the fg..

The highest kill scores i've had so far in ww2 has been with the BAR.