Jabal just now

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-07-22 02:29

So since I've always wondered what's a good way to educate freaking n00bs about what a Marksman Kit is actually for, I came across a nice example today on Jabal.

I was MEC and in the City, moving with my SL. This USMC marksman was up on that really tall *** building (A hotel is what it is I think), taking potshots at people. (You can really hear that M14 stand out amongst all weapons) So I climb up there, half expecting there to be three or four people up there. Well I get to the top and find this marksman, all alone, trying to be a 1337 wtfpwn sn1p0r. So I pull out my knife and educate the nub in the proper use of the marksman kit.

I later turned that marksman kit on his comrades, while being (mostly) with my squad and killed 4 of his buddies.

Gotta love education.

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-07-22 02:34

Tough Love !

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-07-22 02:44

He was OWND!

ArmedDrunk&Angry · Post by **ArmedDrunk&Angry** » 2007-07-22 02:46

Expendable Grunt wrote: I was MEC and in the City, moving with my SL. This USMC marksman was up on that really tall *** building (A hotel is what it is I think), taking potshots at people.
Gotta love education.

I believe the term you youngerster use is .... PWND !

swiftdraw · Post by **swiftdraw** » 2007-07-22 03:19

I hate it when people try to snipe with the marksman kit, its not what it is for! Its for accurate support for your squad while with your squad and scratching those hard to reach places (MG emplacement, clearing roofs, etc.) that your average rifleman can't easily hit. A lot people I've seen that use it play it as 'sniper kit lite' and try to lone wolf with it.

Metis-M · Post by **Metis-M** » 2007-07-22 05:08

Expendable Grunt wrote:.......

Because of the soundproblem. I would like to see u in reality doing this, Mr. Rambo.

But maybe in reality u wouldnt became a chance for this, cause u would not hear what exatcly happens and from what position, cause of explosions, tanks, vehicles, aircrafts, people on the battlefield and so on. Day of Defeat simulate it a bit, maybe it should in BF2/PR too.

swiftdraw wrote:I hate it when people try to snipe with the marksman kit, its not what it is for! Its for accurate support for your squad while with your squad and scratching those hard to reach places (MG emplacement, clearing roofs, etc.) that your average rifleman can't easily hit. A lot people I've seen that use it play it as 'sniper kit lite' and try to lone wolf with it.

I hate it when people first take a sniper or marksman kit to run around and storming flags with their squad. Why not let that marksman kit for people really know to use it? What do u think its a Godmod weapon, why not be rifleman or medic and do ur job for squad? Or u think 32 people on one side with 5 squads and only 2 marksman that only ur squad needs a marksman support?

No offence, dont take my "U" to ur person.

El_Vikingo · Post by **El_Vikingo** » 2007-07-22 05:23

Because they think they are good with the marksman/sniper rifle.

Because of the soundproblem. I would like to see u in reality doing this, Mr. Rambo.
But maybe in reality u wouldnt became a chance for this, cause u would not hear what exatcly happens and from what position, cause of explosions, tanks, vehicles, aircrafts, people on the battlefield and so on. Day of Defeat simulate it a bit, maybe it should in BF2/PR too.

A battlefield doesn't have to be full of "Atmospheric background sounds". Day of Defeat only has it because the maps are tiny!

swiftdraw · Post by **swiftdraw** » 2007-07-22 14:45

Metis-M wrote:I hate it when people first take a sniper or marksman kit to run around and storming flags with their squad. Why not let that marksman kit for people really know to use it? What do u think its a Godmod weapon, why not be rifleman or medic and do ur job for squad? Or u think 32 people on one side with 5 squads and only 2 marksman that only ur squad needs a marksman support?

Notice I said support the squad, not rush in with it. In the case of taking a flag, a marksmen would set up and cover the squad as it went in and not rush in with it. It is a longer range weapon after all and it would defeat the purpose of having it by rushing into CQB.
Yes, I think the marksmen kit is better at supporting a squad than running willy-nilly all over the map trying to rack up kills or camping on a roof all game. And really, you can only effectively support one squad unless you got multiple squads working in tandem on an objective. And don't forget, the marksman is attached to squads in the real world military too.

Quoted from wikipedia:

A marksman should not be confused with a sniper. Marksmen rarely operate individually. Snipers are often deployed for specific objectives in teams consisting of snipers and observers. The marksman, however, operates as a regular member within a unit where his skills are called upon whenever the need for accurate shooting arises in the normal course of operations. While snipers are intensively trained to master fieldcraft and camouflage, these skills are not required for marksmen. There are differences in role and training that affect doctrines and equipment. Snipers rely almost exclusively on more accurate but slower-firing bolt-action rifles while a marksman can effectively use a faster-firing, but less accurate semi-automatic rifle. A sniper's intensive training, forward placement and surveillance duties make their role more strategic than that of a squad-level marksman. Thus, marksmen are often attached at the squad level while snipers are often attached at higher levels such as battalion

And whats a Godmod weapon?

Edit: For the record, I dis-like using the marksman kit and sniper kit as my leading sucks and can only consistently hit stationary targets. Generally I play medic, support gunner, or L-AT.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-07-22 15:41

I was just on TGs, Kufrah, MEC blitzkrieg'd the map in 10 mins, so we were holding off MEC infantry coming through the hills, had two T90s rolling in and 3 guys in our squad had Marksman and 2 snipers...and they got killed in CQB, while I managed to shot one guy with Rifleman, picked up a Medic and shot 3, picked up the sniper and and sniped another wave of them before getting shot. And no one picked up my kit

, they were running around like chickens...
Also managed to shoot a guy with M9, while being Heavy AT

daranz · Post by **daranz** » 2007-07-22 16:48

Metis-M wrote: I hate it when people first take a sniper or marksman kit to run around and storming flags with their squad. Why not let that marksman kit for people really know to use it? What do u think its a Godmod weapon, why not be rifleman or medic and do ur job for squad? Or u think 32 people on one side with 5 squads and only 2 marksman that only ur squad needs a marksman support?.

Oh yes, let's give the marksman kit to people who know how to use it, meaning the specops who go and try to grab the sniper kit first thing when they enter a server, and when they can't get that, they grab the marksman kit. Because, you know, it's one and the same, and the devs included the two different classes there for laughs.

The proper way to use the sniper or marksman kit is to join a 5 person squad, grab the kit, run off to a high spot by yourself, perch yourself there, superglue your eye to your scope, and attempt to kill as many people as possible, for the purposes of increasing the number next to your name, in the kill column. Countersniping an enemy sniper when somebody requests that? Hell, that only gets you one kill, one bother? Spotting tanks and other vehicles so your team knows what's coming towards them? Hell, that means wasting your time clicking on the commo rose instead of raising your kill count!

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-07-23 07:14

Yeh, tired of the "lite sniper" crew. I think, (on the rare times when I use the marksman kit) that the only time I've actually been "far" from the squad was on Jabal in the City, when I scaled one of the lower rooftops under orders to get someone over a wall or something.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-07-23 11:55

daranz wrote:Oh yes, let's give the marksman kit to people who know how to use it, meaning the specops who go and try to grab the sniper kit first thing when they enter a server, and when they can't get that, they grab the marksman kit. Because, you know, it's one and the same, and the devs included the two different classes there for laughs.

The proper way to use the sniper or marksman kit is to join a 5 person squad, grab the kit, run off to a high spot by yourself, perch yourself there, superglue your eye to your scope, and attempt to kill as many people as possible, for the purposes of increasing the number next to your name, in the kill column. Countersniping an enemy sniper when somebody requests that? Hell, that only gets you one kill, one bother? Spotting tanks and other vehicles so your team knows what's coming towards them? Hell, that means wasting your time clicking on the commo rose instead of raising your kill count!

I wonder, what will happen, when they remove the kill count from the Tab menu

Leo · Post by **Leo** » 2007-07-23 12:43

Ritual Suicide?

mrmong · Post by **mrmong** » 2007-07-23 13:10

SL should be able to revoke kits as well as kick squad members

demonicklown445 · Post by **demonicklown445** » 2007-07-23 13:17

I was on the Bi ming map, the one with the night vision that is almost impossible to see with, I had gotten my marksmen kit and managed to get into a squad that was really well working together. They noticed I was really good at sniping, but since the server only had like 6 people on our team, The let me get the chinese marksmen kit. The other team had 14 people (Nice teams eh?) And were all spawning on one warrior. My squadmates were trying to capture this place, and we had a rally point just down the hill. So here I am, sitting next to a tree, and *** these guys get out of this APC, I was there, Putting bullets through their heads. All of this defending my squad. If I had a sniper, we would have won that very match, because I was maybe 15 meters from that warrior, and I didnt get shot once.

Leo · Post by **Leo** » 2007-07-23 14:02

So you were spawn camping?

IMO, that's only permissible if your keeping them down until a squaddie comes and blows the spawn point up, but from your description it doesn't sound like anything of the kind.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-07-23 20:45

Yeah that was pretty sad :-/

Metis-M · Post by **Metis-M** » 2007-07-23 23:25

Was sniper today in one round on kufrah, defend a flag, SL nerv me to come to him for RP, there 6 people in squad and the one in fightings (defending the flag as sniper) should leave his position.

But o.k., RP is very important, because u can also resupply or respawn after death, so i run to the mountains throuw(?) open, no other ways, was killed, lost my sniper, respawn on SL. Now thought we make RP i apply the rifle and will kill that who kills me.

What do u think, no RP at the end, because squadleader realize that he didnt have the officer Kit. :d uh:

OiSkout · Post by **OiSkout** » 2007-07-24 06:14

Haha, funny thing was I was playin on Jabal just now too and took the marksman kit. Though I was on MEC and probably not in the same server as you.

I did the sit on high ground perch kinda thing. However, the difference is I was on that mountain between dam and bridge and I basically relocated every so often. Went 17-2 or so hehe.

It got so bad though that I was pinned in the mountains because the bridge was blown, and they had someone trying to countersnipe me from the dam. And they kept trying to drop off guys in the mountain or send them over, but I relocated to one of the flanks so they never knew what hit em.

But best thing I did was I was climbing up one of the ladders to the chopper pad because I heard the blackhawk there(I was pretty much done playing so I figured I might as well try to shoot the pilot through the door). When I get up there I see 3-4 people trying to get in. And one of them sees me so I zoom asap and pop off a couple of shots killing two of them with luck. A lot of rounds hit the BH and the pilot got scared apparently. He tried to take off but spun too quickly and crashed into the wall and took the third guy with him. I can't tell if he was tryin to take off or turn the gattling gun on me though.

Expendable Grunt · Post by **Expendable Grunt** » 2007-07-24 13:51

That is also how you don't use it...