PR:V aircraft and their roles

[osisulator]

I truly believe that this mod should really incorporate aircraft, like jets, into regular game play. For instance CAS with A-1 skyraiders or bombing with F-4 Phantoms or F-105 thunderchiefs or any other vietnam era aircraft. I think aircraft should also have difficulty detecting ground targets in order to maintain balance in game play and require cooperation from ground troops. Like in the screenshots and in real life hueys and cobras should be used extensively. I think each team should easily be able to take out an aircraft with a stinger or sa-5 missile of some sort but locks should take long so its not too easy. Also vehicles should have spawn times that are kind of long but not too long so there isn't constant bombardment from the air.
Anybody including the Devs please add your thoughts and correct me on anything

P.S. a B52 like in eod operation rolling thunder would be amazing

[Mongolian_dude]

So, in summary:
-Put in the realistic aircraft
-Make them operate realistically
-Put them in realistic quantities
-P.S, B52 plz
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Really, most of the suggestions for PR:V lately have been a matter of common sense. I can't help but feel this might also be one of those suggestions, no?

...mongol....

[Wakain]

Really, most of the suggestions for PR:V lately have been a matter of common sense. I can't help but feel this might also be one of those suggestions, no?

I'd say the majority of the suggestions rather show a lack of common sense

[SCE_BloodyStars]

Still the fact remains that Aircraft were a big part of the U.S. (/allied) forces. Planes were used extensively back then, now I'm not agreeing with the ridiculously demanding list up there, but I feel like on some maps there is going to have to be more planes than we're used to.

Edit:

Idea: Maybe change the artillery instead of a long barrage that takes forever to refresh into small concentrated "bombs" that refresh fairly quickly to simulate the "airstrikes" coming in? I hope this isn't a ridiculous idea so don't hurt me.

[Hresvelgr]

We really should at least have A-1 Skyraiders showing up often enough. Nice and slowish CAS aircraft meaning easier to handle and easier to strafe the NVA. And easier to gun down.

[Hitman.2.5]

We shouldn't go over board with the amount of Aircraft. The A-1 SR was used in all Air support roles the only time they were not used was when the US were bombing deep into the North. Two fixed wing maybe 3 or 4 at a push should be more than enough. A-4 skyhawk would be nice to see too .

Osisulator there were no stingers XD but there was the SA-7 and the FIM-43 REDEYE (stingers father).

[mo0nbuggy1]

I want to see puff and the other gunship, thier tracer rounds will look amazing.

[Squeezee]

Does a Vietnam mod mean we can finally have OV-10s!?

[SCE_BloodyStars]

Idea: Maybe change the artillery instead of a long barrage that takes forever to refresh into small concentrated "bombs" that refresh fairly quickly to simulate the "airstrikes" coming in? I hope this isn't a ridiculous idea so don't hurt me.


Like a JDAM, only not as huge.

[Snazz]

I doubt they'd increase the amount of air power over it's current level in PR, more pilots means less infantry remember.

Besides jets are currently only found on 4x4km PR maps, whereas the PRV maps we're aware of like OGT and Tad Sae are 1x1km and will be lucky to even have a Huey on them. Some of the EOD maps are 2x2km (though not really 'PR quality') yet it'd be silly having jets on them with PR's game play. Maybe there's a 4x4km PRV map in the works or some great EOD maps I'm not familiar with but at this stage it's not looking good for fixed wing assets.

BTW B-52s at least during Vietnam were still primarily long range strategic bombers, so they make no sense in PRV.

[Hitman.2.5]

a vietnam map with out Fixed wing and rotary wing would be like the second world war without the germans and the japs...

I want to see puff and the other gunship, thier tracer rounds will look amazing.

U mean like the AC-119 or the 130?

[Snazz]

a vietnam map with out Fixed wing and rotary wing would be like the second world war without the germans and the japs...

Infantry jungle combat would be like fighting Italians?

[TheOldBreed]

BTW B-52s at least during Vietnam were still primarily long range strategic bombers, so they make no sense in PRV.

i beg to differ lad.

[Hitman.2.5]

Infantry jungle combat would be like fighting Italians?

no because the Vietnamese dont change sides at half time like the Iti's

[TheOldBreed]

i can see an arc light strike being an area attack. yeah, it'll cover more area, but it'd be sick and 'life like'. think a whole load of PR style JDAMs in a row haha

[Snazz]

i beg to differ lad.

In that case you're welcome to elaborate on why you think strategic bombing raids fit in to PR game play.

[TheOldBreed]

In that case you're welcome to elaborate on why you think strategic bombing raids fit in to PR game play.

no i mean they were used for tactical bombing in Vietnam as well. see things like: Operation Niagara

[Bob_Marley]

no i mean they were used for tactical bombing in Vietnam as well. see things like: Operation Niagara

During Op. Niagara B52s were used to attack the rear echalons (speicifically fixed positions such as ammo dumps) of an NVA formation consisting of three divisions sauce. Not exactly CAS now, is it?

Arclite raids were not used in direct support of troops - they were not precise enough for that. They were typically used to attack an area before allied troops arrived and tactical aircraft (F4, A4, A1, etc) were used to provide close support, not strategic bombers.

[TheOldBreed]

Bob_Marley;1325481']During Op. Niagara B52s were used to attack the rear echalons (speicifically fixed positions such as ammo dumps) of an NVA formation consisting of three divisions sauce. Not exactly CAS now, is it?

Arclite raids were not used in direct support of troops - they were not precise enough for that. They were typically used to attack an area before allied troops arrived and tactical aircraft (F4, A4, A1, etc) were used to provide close support, not strategic bombers.

true, not in the sense of "call it in hot, real close", close air as displayed in what most people will know as 'We Were Soldiers'. At Khe Sanh, the surrounding hill battles and others such as at Ripcord, arc light strikes were available every three hours, and if one was in the air, they could be redirected accordingly if someone needed them (p. 409 of Valley of Decision explains how a Col. Lownds jumped on the horn and called in a strike on troop movement he was observing). Close-in B52 strikes were an accepted tactic, the closest was 1,100m of friendly positions(p. 416). i'd say that's pretty close air considering the ordnance they carried

B52s were used in a strategic sense during Linebacker I & II, that's the defintion of strategic bombing, hitting industry, government, population.
The use of the B52 on the battlefield level, ie interdiction and close support, is considered tactical usage. In the end, it was a strategic aircraft used for tactical purposes.

Because this has got retardly off-topic, in terms of PRV, an arc light strike can be used as replacement for a JDAM as it is now. let's face it, who calls in a JDAM now less than 1000m away. a 500lbs or napalm canister could be used as an area attack, but an aircraft that flies in and drops it will have to be made, as it couldn't be dropped from 15 miles away a JDAM can.(not telling anyone what to do, but just sayin )

all these words could have gone into my dissertation proposal so i'm heading off haha

Valley of Decision: The Siege of Khe Sanh: Amazon.co.uk: John Prados, Ray W. Stubbe: Books it's a sick book.

[Elektro]

no because the Vietnamese dont change sides at half time like the Iti's

Meh, we have food, wine and football. Who cares which side we are on?