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I, being Cambodian, would LOVE Cambodia to be apart of this. Man. I just wish.
Not that I am proud, but we need some Cambodian Communist in this. Including the Khmer Rouge. They caused a lot of shit, including what is known as the Killing Fields and is in the top ten of the largest genocides in the world.
Then, considering that Cambodia is literally bordered with Vietnam, and totally despises Vietnam, (Personal experience. My grandfather hates the Vietnamese. No matter what.) we could have a communist on communist battle. =O.

Just wanted to bring it up, having no experience, I'll just sit on my *** and be that guy who got the idea.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Vietnam was the second indo-china war wasn't it? ...War between Cambodia and Vietnam was AFTER it.


Hmm.

.../forgets.
.../Wikis.

Cambodia had a Civil War. Which was backed by the US and Vietnam. Vietnam on one side, US on the other. Hmm.

Direct US involvement (i.e. troops) was very limited in Cambodia. From the 1950's to the 80's the US provided arms, financing and training to various groups in Laos and Cambodia, but basically entirely through the CIA. Even in Laos during the war itself ('60s and '70s) the CIA was getting discharges for army SF officers/NCOs so they could be legally employed as "civilians" in Laos to train the Laotian army and guerrilla groups.

I think having a US backed guerrilla force vs a Vietnamese backed guerilla force would be interesting, but given that it would require the creation of a new faction its really possible in the timeframe that PR:V is trying to fulfill. Perhaps in the future, if some people can be so motivated.

Actually, unless theres going to be a map that is AFTER the Vietnam War... I think there won't be a Cambodia faction would there?...

Can we extend the timeline? Please? T_T.

Because during the Vietnam War, Cambodia's Civil War was also going on... The Civil War was actually caused by the US/CIA's influence on a Cambodian Prime Minister named Lon Nol. That was due to Prince Sihanouk's turning towards communism. So... then lead towards the Killing Fields... and Cambodia VS Vietnam.
/sigh.

What would you like?
Two new factions and maps dedicated to something that had no significant involvement in the Vietnam war?

aye, a "cambodian incursion" map would be pretty decent. if you follow the 1970 campaign, it could still be the US/ARVN fighting ol' Nathaniel Victor, without having to model new models/factions

Now that I think about it, Cambodian Incursion maps would be good enough for me.

Jusazn wrote:Now that I think about it, Cambodian Incursion maps would be good enough for me.

in that case: go ahead, make my day!

but don't expect the dev's to come with something like that in their initial release, maybe in later builds when they're looking for more content to include(btw, weren't the macvsog created to have an unofficial presence in cambodia, I think macvsog can be rated as special forces and that makes the chance of a cambodian incursion map ...unlikely:roll

Jusazn wrote:I, being Cambodian, would LOVE Cambodia to be apart of this. Man. I just wish.

Not that I am proud, but we need some Cambodian Communist in this. Including the Khmer Rouge. They caused a lot of shit, including what is known as the Killing Fields and is in the top ten of the largest genocides in the world.

Then, considering that Cambodia is literally bordered with Vietnam, and totally despises Vietnam, (Personal experience. My grandfather hates the Vietnamese. No matter what.) we could have a communist on communist battle. =O.



Just wanted to bring it up, having no experience, I'll just sit on my *** and be that guy who got the idea.



Edit: Now that I think about it, Vietnam was the second indo-china war wasn't it? ...War between Cambodia and Vietnam was AFTER it.





Hmm.



.../forgets.

.../Wikis.



Cambodia had a Civil War. Which was backed by the US and Vietnam. Vietnam on one side, US on the other. Hmm.

I would like to see the folowing factions in game :

First Indochina War :
Anti-Communist forces :
French Union Army :
French Army
Vietnamese Army
Cambodian Army
Laotian Army

And all the the other countries under French colonial rule all around the world so don't forget the Arabs and Black people who served and died for freedom in Indochina.

United Kingdom :
Great-Britain
India

Communist Forces :
Viet Minh
Khmer Issarak
Pathet Lao



Second Indochina War :
Anti-Communist forces :

South Vietnamese Army
Khmer Army (Cambodian Army)
Laotian Army
United States Army
South Korean Army
Australian Army
New-Zealander Army
Thailandese Army
China (Taiwan)


Communist Forces :
North Vietnamese Army
Viet Cong (South Vietnamese Communists)
Red Khmer (Cambodian Communists)
Pathet Lao
Chinese Communist Army
North Korean Army

Say to your father that he musn't hate the Vietnamese people because it's not the fault of the Vietnamese people that peoples have being tortured and killed but it is the fault of the Communist Dictators not the fault of the people.

I have Vietnamese and Chinese origins and I hate dictators but I don't hate the people.

To the Project Reality Dev's :

I also don't like the name of your mod : Project Reality : Vietnam

Viet Nam is a country.

It is writed Việt Nam in two words in romanized Vietnamese.

Only the journalists bound the word Viet and Nam.

The romanized Vietnamese became the official language script in Viet Nam in 1920 during the French colonial rule. The romanized Vietnamese use Latin characters instead of the Han Tu (or Han Nom or Chu Nom) wich are characters from the Chinese.


The Han Dinasty was a Chinese Dinasty who was the most advanced country on world 2000 years ago.
Viet Nam was under the rule of the Han Dinasty. And by the South-East Kingdom of Ngo (or Wu) at the end of the Han Dinasty.

The Chinese Characters came from the South-East China and they were incorporated in the Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese language.

So if you want to refeer to the Viet Nam War, please use :

Project Reality : The Viet Nam War

Nam means South in Vietnamese.
Viet is the name of the people.


It's very offensive to use the word " Vietnam " like it was juste a war place.

You are offending the Vietnamese people by referring Viet Nam like it was just a war place.

Also don't say Viet Nam Era but say the Viet Nam War Era.

The Vietnamese hate when people refer Viet Nam to only a war.

If you want to have a bit respect of other people and if you want to be accurate on the real meaning.

So if you want to add those informations in your mod during the loading map screens just like Dice did in Battlefield Viet Nam, you can.

I hope that there will be also South Vietnamese, cambodian and laotian pop music from the time before 1975 during the loading map screens and not only American rock music.

I wish that we could hear North Vietnamese, South Vietnamese music, Cambodian music and Laotian music inside Vehicles.

Also, be careful with anachronism about music, battles date and historical events if you want to make a real project reality.

I hope that there will be the first battle with the Britishs and Indians against the Viet Minh on september 1945 to the Fall of Phnom Penh in Cambodia, the Fall of Sai Gon in South Viet Nam and the Fall of Vientiane in Laos in 1975.

The Viet Nam War : The Fall of Sai Gon : The South Vietnamese Army in their last days - YouTube

1975 was a sad year because the communists taked the control over Viet Nam, Cambodia and Laos and established a Communist Dictatorship and raped, tortured and killed millions of people that were against their dictatorship including children, wives and old persons. It is worst than the the thousands of innoncent people that were raped, tortured and killed by some South Korean soldiers and American soldiers.

Most of the South Vietnamese soldiers, cambodian soldiers and laotian soldiers were send to " Reeducation camps " wich was in reality concentration camps where they must work for the communists and they could only eat 1 bowl of rice per day and nothing more. If they are sick, they don't get medicine. The communists just let them die like animals.

My uncle was in the South Vietnamese Air Force and was sent in those concentration camps and my grandmother had to pay the communists to get her son back. When he came back at home, he was thin like a stick.

Thousands of Indochinese flee their country with nothing on them.
They flee by boat and had nothing except some bread and a bit driking water.
My dad and my uncle flee Viet Nam by boat.
The Communists shot near their boat at night but luckily they didn't touched the boat.

Some of the boat-people have being raped, tortured and killed by pirates.
Other have been captured by communists when trying to escape and then violated, tortured and killed. Other have been killed by sea storms, sharks, sea snakes and starvation.

Some boats where full of people and some parents had no choice to let their children go on the boat alone because their was no more enough place on the boat.

The South Vietnamese boat-people - YouTube

The Viet Nam War : The South Vietnamese Exodus - YouTube

Thank you for respecting the peoples of the world in advance.

daito, do you personally take offense in that, and how?

sweedensniiperr wrote:daito, do you personally take offense in that, and how?

For some people, Viet Nam is just a War and nothing more.
But for me, Viet Nam is a country.
So if you want to refer to the Viet Nam War, say the Viet Nam War and not Viet Nam because Viet Nam is a country.

It's like saying Project Reality : America because there was the American War or saying Project Reality : France because there was war in France or saying Project Reality : Sweden because there was war in Sweden.

You must be accurate or it is offense.

I'm sorry mate, Dice made Battlefield Vietnam.

This is one of the stranger threads on this forum.

Wakain wrote:I'm sorry mate, Dice made Battlefield Vietnam.

What do you mean by saying that ?

Respectfully, you are taking it a bit too serious considering the presentation of the name is here - a video game forum.

The way I see it is... if any measure is to be taken to seriously commemorate its victims of past times and seek justice in what is a potentially dishonorable approach to the words and country of Viet Nam, it would be in a place of much more historical relevance and political importance then here.

hoooly, you might wanna hire a few devs to get all those factions done. I don't know if you are aware but Project is now like what, 8 years in existence and now we have around 12 factions (to lazy to count), how long do you think it would take to make all those factions,maps,battles? it's a minimod, it's not a full historical correct simulation game. You are taking things a little to serious.

Ho Chi Minh Trail ran through Cambodia, and I think U.S sent in some Green Berets in there, and bombed the hell out of it. Also, BF:V had the Spec Ops fight the NVA in that map.

Battle of Dien Bien Phu would be awesome.

Daito wrote:
I also don't like the name of your mod : Project Reality : Vietnam

Viet Nam is a country.

It is writed Việt Nam in two words in romanized Vietnamese.

Only the journalists bound the word Viet and Nam.

The romanized Vietnamese became the official language script in Viet Nam in 1920 during the French colonial rule. The romanized Vietnamese use Latin characters instead of the Han Tu (or Han Nom or Chu Nom) wich are characters from the Chinese.

Daito -

"Vietnam" is the accepted Western spelling. You even use it in the adjectival and demonymic "Vietnamese".

Should we only refer to Japan as Nippon? Or Austria as ?sterreich? Why do people in Viet Nam refer to America as Mỹ? Or Am?rique in France?

It is good to be proud of your country and its culture, but one must also respect the cultures of others.

(And no, the irony of that last statement coming from an American is not lost me.)

'[508th_PIR wrote: Grey;1755860']Daito -

"Vietnam" is the accepted Western spelling. You even use it in the adjectival and demonymic "Vietnamese".

Should we only refer to Japan as Nippon? Or Austria as ?sterreich? Why do people in Viet Nam refer to America as Mỹ? Or Am?rique in France?

It is good to be proud of your country and its culture, but one must also respect the cultures of others.

(And no, the irony of that last statement coming from an American is not lost me.)

I'm not proud of my country or culture.

This has nothing to do with nationalism. I just like the correct things.

But please change the name Vietnam to " the Viet Nam War " because no Vietnamese use the term " Vietnam " to refer the Viet Nam War.

The Vietnamese use the term " the Viet Nam War " and not " Vietnam " to refer the Viet Nam War.

Viet Nam is not only a battleground.

Daito wrote:I'm not proud of my country or culture.

This has nothing to do with nationalism. I just like the correct things.

But please change the name Vietnam to " the Viet Nam War " because no Vietnamese use the term " Vietnam " to refer the Viet Nam War.

The Vietnamese use the term " the Viet Nam War " and not " Vietnam " to refer the Viet Nam War.

Viet Nam is not only a battleground.

I suspect that most Iraqis do not refer to the events of the past decade as The Iraq war/The Second Gulf War/OIF, but that's what we call it.

No one in the western world uses the term "Viet Nam War". Also, there is nothing disrespectful about referring to an event or experience by the name of the locale where it took place.