Rate of Fire for F89

[Ta77a]

Hi guys. Being in the Australian cadets (yes tease me now you ********) I was lucky enough to get my hands on a F89. When we were learning a drill with it, the instructing sergeant said that you could change the rate of fire from about 800 or so rpm, to about 1000 rpm (that may not have been the exact rate of fire but you get the idea) by a swich type thing near the end of the barell. What i was wondering was that this could be incorporated into the game? I mean it would make the Aussies a lot more fearsome when they are being pinned down near a supply crate and they are not scared of wasting ammo.

[J.F.Leusch69]

BF2 has problems with fire rates high than 900 RPM for handheld weapons. there are a few ways to get it to fire kida any rate, but it looks odd and might have other problems with it.

i also think that its not possible to have 2 different fire rates selectable on 1 weapon, it is possible to make 2 versions of the same weapon (like we have it at the moment with the LMGs and Marksmen) but that would take away another kit item slot and i dont think that it would be worth it.

[dtacs]

I don't think they are going to change the ROF in a fight, its simply not standard practice just like changing optics etc.

I watched a contact drill from 3RAR (Airborne) at Holsworthy Barracks and the bloke with the Minimi didn't really seem to care, just kept continuing fire by movement. He did have an EOTech on top though.

[sylent/shooter]

what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

[dtacs]

what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

No I think he meanshaving the F89 (basically an M249 with a different buttstock) with the ability to make the fire rate slower, so essentially having the fully automatic setting fire in two different speeds at which it chews up ammo.

[Chuc]

The MG3 ingame comes in two variants, a handheld and a stationary mounted variant. For the handheld we locked it's cyclic rate to 900, and the mounted variant up to 1100. We could very well do the same for the F89.

what about the m4? where you have automatic then semi-auto. I believe thats basically what he wants. Something like, default is 800 rpm and click the weapon again and it switches to the 1000. repsectively

Unfortunately the system just doesn't work like that. The fire mode selector function only has 3 variables, single, auto and burst.

[Truism]

With a different buttstock and an adverse gas setting.

The OP is talking about the adverse gas setting on the end of the weapon which when switched from Normal Gas to Adverse Gas increases the amount of gas cycled back through the weapon. In early models of the F89 this would cause the weapon to fire faster which in turn led to higher breakages of the weapon since it wasn't designed to tolerate higher rates of fire than those other countries use it on, AFAIK lacking the more advanced gas system. This was deemed unacceptable and the weapon was modified accordingly.

F89's no longer do this. The myth has lived on though. F89's fire at 800 RPM cyclic but as any good RI or private fresh out of Kapooka will tell you, the "approved" rates of fire are 60 rounds per minute normal, or 120 rounds per minute rapid with a barrel change every 200 rounds.

You may possibly be confused with the in service GPMG, the MAG58, which can have its rate of cyclic fire changed to cover a very wide variety of rates all the way up to (if I'm not mistaken) 2000RPM. It's not hard for an undisciplined firer to melt MAG58 barrels.

[[MPN]Slouch2]

2,000 RPM? Ha ha thats actually the lower setting of the M-134D minigun. The official MAG-58 Cyclic rates of fire are 650-1,000 rounds per minute.

[Truism]

Well called.

Have you ever heard one with minigun 7.62 going through it? It massively increases the rate of fire for some reason. Sounds like something german from the 1940s.

[shifty66]

Hold on let me get my notes out from kapooka, i actually had to write this down. Might as well go put it to use in this thread.

[Nathanual Nolan]

Hold on let me get my notes out from kapooka, i actually had to write this down. Might as well go put it to use in this thread.

dont do that lol our RSM might be watching lmfao how long you been in iv been stuck in this mans army for 3 bloody years lol ummm you can look up the rate of fire and stuff on the net these days besides being a gunner i kinda know the firerates of my rifles dont need a book to recap lol

[anglomanii]

well then it's high time you started contributing then isn't it. any info you can share would be appreciated....

[Nathanual Nolan]

well then it's high time you started contributing then isn't it. any info you can share would be appreciated....

what could i help with its a game lol

[anglomanii]

we'll have work for you mate, if your in the lines, then you can be helping us get our facts straight.

[Nathanual Nolan]

what facts ooo you acctualy need rate of fire for game ajustments sory im a little slow just got back from overseas ummm ill see if i can post some up
(F89 minimi)
Calibre 5.56x45mm NATO
Operating principle Gas operated, open breech
Overall length 1,040mm
Weapon width 110mm
Weapon weight 7.31 kg
Barrel type Long
Barrel weight 1.8 kg
Barrel length 465mm
Buttstock type Fixed
Cyclic rate of fire 700 to 1,000 RPM
Feed Belt, box, pouch, M16 type magazine
Firing mode Full auto
Handguard type Standard
Maximum effective range 1,000m
Role Light Machine Gun

(F88 Austyer)
Barrel length: 508 mm (assault rifle)
407 mm (carbine)
Accuracy: 60 mm at 50m (5 round group)
Integrated optical sight: 1.5 magnification
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Cyclic rate of fire: 680 - 850 per minute
Effective range: 400 m
Weight (unloaded) 3.6 kg

Weight 6.5 kg (14.3 lb)
Length 1,180 mm (46.5 in)
Barrel length 660 mm (26.0 in)
Cartridge .243 Winchester
7.62x51mm NATO/.308 Winchester
.300 Winchester Magnum
.338 Lapua Magnum
Action Bolt-action
Muzzle velocity 850 m/s (2,790 ft/s)
Effective range 800 m (870 yd)
Feed system 10-round detachable box magazine
Sights detachable aperture type iron sights
day or night optics
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[Rudd]

hey Nathanual, for future reference use the edit button on your first post to add new information rather than post quickly in sucession

are you getting this information from the Australian army website?

F89A1 Minimi - Army Internet - ARMY

might as well add the link if you are...

[Nathanual Nolan]

Rudd;1527286']hey Nathanual, for future reference use the edit button on your first post to add new information rather than post quickly in sucession

are you getting this information from the Australian army website?

F89A1 Minimi - Army Internet - ARMY

might as well add the link if you are...

no its mostly all in my head if i forget i look at an australian army logon site not the army site i acctualy didnt know they had the specs on that site wouldv been easier than remembering lol

[masterceo]

I call bullshit on that. It's just too obvious.

[Jigsaw]

I call bullshit on that. It's just too obvious.

If you feel something is "obvious" then use the report post function.



@Nathanual - when posting information such as this you are required on this forum to post sources for your information, simply saying it comes from "in my head" is not helpful as the information could very well be inaccurate and we have no way of verifying otherwise.

Also use the edit post function in future.

[Nathanual Nolan]

If you feel something is "obvious" then use the report post function.



@Nathanual - when posting information such as this you are required on this forum to post sources for your information, simply saying it comes from "in my head" is not helpful as the information could very well be inaccurate and we have no way of verifying otherwise.

Also use the edit post function in future.

well if im wrong feel free to check for yourself i work in the ADF full time and i work around these guns instructing allmost all the time its second nature to know them off by heart but as i was told before you can check at the australian army website Home - Army Internet - ARMY or i have also found wikipidia to be of some help the site i use is only accesible to defence personell only so i canot provide that and im still new to these forums so im still getting used to all of the replys