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to keep this out of an innocent thread, we'll keep going here.

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;1566601']....

Yes in some ways PRV is a "sad" attempt to keep the EoD2 content alive by not throwing it totally to waste, which the same story could be said for many BF2 mods that have hardly ever been played,

so you admit that because of a declining player base, thats the reason PRV is being made. if USI starts to decline, does that mean there will be a Project Reality: Desert Storm?

but how is it not worthy of the PR name as long as it has PR's gameplay?

If your referring to it being set back in the Vietnam war rather than modern combat, then Its like saying Battlefield Vietnam or Battlefield 2, or even Battlefield 3 isn't worthy of the Battlefield name since none of them where set back in WW2 like the original Battlefield (aka, Battlefield 1942)....

where did this even come from?

PR prides itself on high quality models. people have already pointed out that EoD models are not top notch.

Wh33lman wrote:so you admit that because of a declining player base, thats the reason PRV is being made. if USI starts to decline, does that mean there will be a Project Reality: Desert Storm?

It is no secrete PRV is being made because we nor the EoD2 team want EoD2's content to go to waste.

[R-DEV]TrahnLee, who is the lead EoD2 developer and also a PR developer (as well as a FH2 developer etc) is the main driving force behind getting EoD's content into PR with PR's gameplay as then it has a good chance of being played with by more than 100 people and as such, wouldn't be such a waste.

As for USI, no one plays USI, nor many other BF2 mods. In fact the other day we where offered all of BF:Korea's content for us to use as we please as there mod has shut down (although we have no plans on making a PR:Korea). Its a sad fact that due to BF2's ranking system and a bunch of other things no one plays BF2 mods other than PR because PR is so different from BF2 that it really sets itself apart making it worth playing PR over getting a new unlock and that's what I meant when I quoted your "sad", not what you where meaning by it.
As for making a PR esert Storm with USI's content, PR already uses a lot of USI's content and there wouldn't be much point, but if the USI team wanted to help us make it we could look into it but the reason why we are putting EoD2's content into PR is because the EoD2 team are the driving force behind it, where USI is still aiming for one last release.

Wh33lman wrote:where did this even come from?

Wh33lman wrote:PRV is a sad attempt to keep it alive. it is not worthy of the PR name.

From there ^

Wh33lman wrote:PR prides itself on high quality models. people have already pointed out that EoD models are not top notch.

EoD2 (note, not EoD) has lots of good quality models, not to mention things like PR's M16A1, AK-47 and other PR models which fit the Vietnam era will be used where they can be. There is nothing hugly wrong with EoD2s models, some are a little low on the detail side, but many can be said for many of the old PR models and the USI models etc, not to mention the vBF2 models. I mean the Warrior model is seriously low detail for example, more so than a normal BF2 APC and I've heard no one complain about that model from outside the PR team...

We do pride ourselves on our work, but that doesn't mean to say that because most of EoD2's stuff isn't "amazing" we shouldn't make a PRV. I'm really quite surprised that you and a few other people are so against getting new content? The only reason I can think of is because it has the name "Vietnam" on it and you guys are just making up other excuses other than you don't like the Vietnam war...

So, many people want to know more information of PR:V : more screenshots, movies and etc. When will it be?

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;1566630']In fact the other day we where offered all of BF:Korea's content for us to use as we please as there mod has shut down (although we have no plans on making a PR:Korea).[/quote]

My hope for the first FPS on the Korean war has faded away How about the WW II weapons in that mod? Wasn't there a PR:WW II community initiative? WW II weaponary in PR:V ? I have no idea on the quality of the models but can't you use their WW II weaponary in PR:V ?

[quote="Alek-say""]So, many people want to know more information of PR:V : more screenshots, movies and etc. When will it be?[/quote]

It is almost a year ago that they announced it -If I am correct the lead Dev's on PR:V PC crapped out - and there have been 1 or 2 videos and some screenshots released, my guess is that we'll just have to wait a little bit longer.

Wh33lman wrote:PR prides itself on high quality models. people have already pointed out that EoD models are not top notch.

The huey in PR is from EoD2 and so is the IDF M113 APC so I bet there are some decent models in EoD 2. Although I do hope the PR team fixes the EoD2 weapon models.

Besides the weaponary that is already in PR (AK 47, RPG, M16A1 etc.). Will the M14 (Semi and auto) be ingame as a standard issued rifle as well?

MCI wrote:The huey in PR is from EoD2 and so is the IDF M113 APC so I bet there are some decent models in EoD 2. Although I do hope the PR team fixes the EoD2 weapon models.

That is true, along with the BTR-60 too.

Alek-say wrote:So, many people want to know more information of PR:V : more screenshots, movies and etc. When will it be?

Keep an eye on the "hype has died down" thread. It's pretty much a dropbox for screenshots and videos .

[R-DEV]AfterDune, thank you! I've seen you videos. "The ride of Valkyries"...

meh, just sounds like a lot of, "i dont want to play this and neither should you." Having low quality models is no reason to not use them, remember PR started with simply changed damage values and removing crossheirs, whilst using the original vBF2 models. honestly its a terrible excuse to bash something. besides last time i checked PR was about game play not shiny graphics. This is why i play not much else, mainstream content whether it be TV, movies, or video games these days are all about fancy graphics or visuals and have very little depth. PR is one of the few places left i feel at home where logic and thinking ahead is greater than nade spamming and fast reflexes.

remember Modern warfare will be forgotten in 10-15 years. Mario, Pacman, asteroids will be remembered forever. all had their start with the worst graphics and even now although new and shiny have kept to their quality of game play, millions of spin offs, copies, clones. I think PR Will be the same, whether it be placed in present day reality, fiction, or in the past.

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;1566630']It is no secrete PRV is being made because we nor the EoD2 team want EoD2's content to go to waste.

[R-DEV]TrahnLee, who is the lead EoD2 developer and also a PR developer (as well as a FH2 developer etc) is the main driving force behind getting EoD's content into PR with PR's gameplay as then it has a good chance of being played with by more than 100 people and as such, wouldn't be such a waste.

so in other words, as long as more then 100 people play PRV, your happy? those are some pretty low standards.

have you considered the number of EoD2 players that will come to PRV, and then say "this sucks, im leaving" because of the learning curve? and how many PR:BF2 players are going to just get bored and go back to BF2. you could conceivably end with less players then you started with.

As for USI, no one plays USI, nor many other BF2 mods. In fact the other day we where offered all of BF:Korea's content for us to use as we please as there mod has shut down (although we have no plans on making a PR:Korea). Its a sad fact that due to BF2's ranking system and a bunch of other things no one plays BF2 mods other than PR because PR is so different from BF2 that it really sets itself apart making it worth playing PR over getting a new unlock and that's what I meant when I quoted your "sad", not what you where meaning by it.
As for making a PR esert Storm with USI's content, PR already uses a lot of USI's content and there wouldn't be much point, but if the USI team wanted to help us make it we could look into it but the reason why we are putting EoD2's content into PR is because the EoD2 team are the driving force behind it, where USI is still aiming for one last release.

The only reason I can think of is because it has the name "Vietnam" on it and you guys are just making up other excuses other than you don't like the Vietnam war...

i knew this was going to come up sooner or later. no, i am not against the war in vietnam. but even if i was, im against the war in Iraq, that doesnt mean im going to stop playing PR.

and i dont apprerciate the thread name being changed and it being moved. this is a discussion amongst PR:BF2 players about PRV. its a simple question: Do you, or do you not want PRV made. most of us wont grace the PRV section with our presence, so its never going to be read here.

Wh33lman wrote:and i dont apprerciate the thread name being changed and it being moved. this is a discussion amongst PR:BF2 players about PRV. its a simple question: Do you, or do you not want PRV made. most of us wont grace the PRV section with our presence, so its never going to be read here.

This thread is about PR:Vietnam, where else would one need to discuss something general about PR:V than the general PR:Vietnam discussion forum?

Personally, I do a "get new" search and I see all the new threads after my last visit. Easy as.

I cant wait till PR:V comes out! Looks Amazing!

Wheelman, do you think before you speak, seriously? I mean have you actually read what I've posted, thought about it, and then done any research to back up what your about to say?

Wh33lman wrote:so in other words, as long as more then 100 people play PRV, your happy? those are some pretty low standards.

Yes I have such lower standards that I'm only part of a multi-award winning mod team which I have played a large part in...

Is English your first language? I assume it is because you are an American according to your forum profile? I ask because you have just taken what I said totally out of context. Let me help you a second understand what I said before.

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;1566630'].... getting EoD's content into PR with PR's gameplay as then it has a good chance of being played with by more than 100 people and as such, wouldn't be such a waste.[/quote]

In other words if highlighting the key points hasn't helped, EoD2 has been played by a very small amount of players, due to most BF2 players not bothering to play any mods, as I expect you haven't bothered to play any other mods other than PR and FH2. Most likely EOD2 has been played by a lot more than just 100 players over the years, but nothing to the extent of PR or FH2. Once PRV is released (note, not EoD2) then it will get played by a lot more players and finally the work that the EoD2 developers put into making EoD2 will be somewhat worth all that work, rather than throwing all that work away which would be the case.


[quote="Wh33lman""]have you considered the number of EoD2 players that will come to PRV, and then say "this sucks, im leaving" because of the learning curve? and how many PR:BF2 players are going to just get bored and go back to BF2. you could conceivably end with less players then you started with.[/quote]

No I haven't considered how many EoD2 players will come over, most likey because there aren't any? I dunno how many times I need to say this.. Just look at the stats if you do not believe me...: Game Servers | Server / Player Search | Game-Monitor.com :: Server Search, Monitoring, Stats and more

As for how many PR:BF2 players are "going to just get board and go back to BF2", do you mean BF2 as in vBF2 or as in PR:BF2? If you mean vBF2, then any player getting board of PRV will also have gotten board of normal PR:BF2... If you mean will get board then go back to PR:BF2, ehmmm, PRV is PR:BF2, just another division of PR:BF2.
To make it as clear as possible, we are planning on fully integrating PRV into PR:BF2 providing there is no serious issues and even if there are, there are other ways we can get around it.

Wh33lman wrote:i knew this was going to come up sooner or later. no, i am not against the war in vietnam. but even if i was, im against the war in Iraq, that doesnt mean im going to stop playing PR.

Oh dear, taking what I said out of context again....

No I didn't ask if your a hippie and are against war or anything like that, I was saying that the only reason I could think of, of why you wouldn't like the idea of PRV is because you are not interested in the Vietnam war, hence the word "Like".

Wh33lman wrote:and i dont apprerciate the thread name being changed and it being moved. this is a discussion amongst PR:BF2 players about PRV. its a simple question: Do you, or do you not want PRV made. most of us wont grace the PRV section with our presence, so its never going to be read here.

I renamed the topic as the topics title was way too long and "Yes or No?" isn't a very descriptive title, which is against the forum rules. As for moving the topic here, the PRV forums is a lot more relevant and PR:BF2 players do read these forums even if you don't...


Wheelman, seriously, give up...

Wh33lman wrote:have you considered the number of EoD2 players that will come to PRV, and then say "this sucks, im leaving" because of the learning curve?

Whoever the 'EoD2 players' are they're not playing EoD2 anyway. It's no loss to the existing active PR community, which should appreciate the added content.

Wh33lman wrote:how many PR:BF2 players are going to just get bored and go back to BF2.

How many players are going to just get bored of Muttrah and go back to other maps?

Wh33lman wrote:you could conceivably end with less players then you started with.

You could conceive that eventuality but I doubt it, increased content variety is generally well received.

Wh33lman, having read your comments, I genuinely cannot see where you are coming from. I'm lucky enough to see the progression of PR:V in-house, and cannot see one instance of what you are talking about tbh. In other news, if a dev/mod changes a thread title to more accurately describe a thread, it's usually done for that very reason. Being offended is quite low down on my list of priorities to give a toss about.

Wh33lman you've been hating on PR:V for a while now and i dont really see why. If your a true fan of PR it would make sense to be for this, not against.

And i cant believe your complaining about low quality models. You do realize that PR looks shit compared to newer games and engines. PR has always been about game play over visual quality. At least for me. *Note* In no way was i bashing the PR models, they are great, its just the BF2 engine makes them look like **** compared to the visuals of newer engines.

Plus, I must admit, after the long go that Ive been playing PR, the modern warfare scene is getting a LITTLE stale now. It will be refreshing to play in a new theater and time period. (Of course once i get a computer )

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote: To make it as clear as possible, we are planning on fully integrating PRV into PR:BF2 providing there is no serious issues and even if there are, there are other ways we can get around it.

That was the only concern that I had. Fearing that it would split the PR community some. But I had faith in you guys. So glad to hear. So servers will be able to run mixed AASv4/Insurgency/PR:V or some variation there of, or that is the goal at this point.

Lack of public information is why the mod isnt getting much attention or popularity. It's been about year now, and all we have seen is a few videos with no real info at all.

Go look at the 'hype died down a bit' thread for most people's opinion on it.

[R-DEV]Gaz wrote:Wh33lman, having read your comments, I genuinely cannot see where you are coming from. I'm lucky enough to see the progression of PR:V in-house, and cannot see one instance of what you are talking about tbh.

I dont see why the information cant be public or just give people a little information about what's going on with it.

ankyle62 wrote:I dont see why the information cant be public or just give people a little information about what's going on with it.

I admit there have been no updates for a long time, though I believe I have posted a lot of information in the last two/three months, even took the time to create little videos for you guys to enjoy - well, that's the idea anyway .

Keep in mind that you hardly get updates about an upcoming PR version, until it's about release-time. PR:Vietnam is no different in that. However, I would enjoy seeing some Highlights every now and then, but it's completely up to the individual to spend time on them.

However,all we can do is wait!

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;1566630']In fact the other day we where offered all of BF:Korea's content for us to use as we please as there mod has shut down (although we have no plans on making a PR:Korea).

Actually we also did have PR:V in mind - SKS, PPS-43, DP-1928, M1/M2 Carbine, M1 Garand, etc. might be of some use to it.
And if you need someone to maybe refurbish one or two weapon or vehicle textures or something... just ask.