New Camo

[Sgt_Doctor]

New Dutch Camo and Uniform? Soldier Systems

According to several internet postings, the accompanying pictures is reportedly of a new camouflage pattern and uniform for the Dutch Army.



Unveiled at a recent Army shooting competition, the garrison and field variants are reportedly to see fielding beginning in 2014 as an extension of the Soldier Modernization Program (in Dutch, VOSS for the English Improved Operational Soldier System). It is anticipated that this variant, intended for woodland and urban environments, will not see any further alteration. The pattern is of the so-called fractal design, which uses patterns within patterns. Additionally, there is an arid pattern under development. As you can see, the Soldiers are in front of a TenCate sign. According to reporting, the uniforms are made from TenCate?s Defender-M fabric, which is the same fabric story as the Army?s FR ACU and USMC?s FROG.

New Dutch Camo and Uniform? Soldier Systems

Any info ?

[dtacs]

Looks good. Reminds me of a more spaced out PLA Type 07. Bout time that they got rid of DPM too, having a unique camouflage and uniform is important for representation IMO.

Since its being introduced in 2014 its safe to have a reskin of the Dutch in-game, plus it'll look great if the resolution is good.

[MCI]

I don't like it, it reminds me of the German Flecktarn camo

Would have preffered MultiCam or even MARPAT / ACUPAT. Probably too expensive due to the defence budget cuts....

I know that Glim had a photo from a couple of patterns in development from his army day trip.

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f203-d ... ost1278656

Furthermore they had this Jungle pattern: http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10 ... OUTFIT.jpg

And as part of the upgrading of uniform and gear they are also working on a new type of helmet:

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/200 ... 74-368.jpg

[Zemciugas]

The first thing that came in mind was russian surpat camo. Looks russian overall. Not bad I guess.

[MonkeySoldier]

[quote=""'[R-CON"]Sgt_Doctor;1624027']New Dutch Camo and Uniform? Soldier Systems



New Dutch Camo and Uniform? Soldier Systems

Any info ?[/quote]
Yeah. The one on the left is the ops uniform, for field use. The one on the right is barracks uniform. The ops uniform features more pockets, trousers with more pockets and bretels instead of a belt, like the barracks uniform has. Further more extra ventilation is available by zipping several parts open. Further more, we have 4 camouflage patterns at the moment; DPM woodland, US M81 (92?) desert, US M81 in jungle colours and US M81 woodland (Marines). They will be replaced by two patterns, the woodland/urban one and the new arid one.

[quote="dtacs""]Looks good. Reminds me of a more spaced out PLA Type 07. Bout time that they got rid of DPM too, having a unique camouflage and uniform is important for representation IMO.[/quote]
Whoa, Type 07 is very much different from this. Not only is Type 07 digital, it also features much bigger surfaces of one colour, compared to this new camo. I would much rather compare it with Finnish M/05 cold weather camouflage.

I don't like it, it reminds me of the German Flecktarn camo

Whats wrong with German Flecktarn? It's more effective than the DPM that we've been using for 20 years now, but it was rejected because it was too German.

Would have preffered MultiCam or even MARPAT / ACUPAT. Probably too expensive due to the defence budget cuts....

Multicam is too bright for our environment, I've seen it, it's very sandy coloured. Works great in A'stan, but in Holland, I doubt it. MARPAT would probably be too expensive, but it would also mean we're not using something of ourselves, which plays an important role, too. And ACUPAT, come on....

[MCI]

Whats wrong with German Flecktarn? It's more effective than the DPM that we've been using for 20 years now, but it was rejected because it was too German.

Multicam is too bright for our environment, I've seen it, it's very sandy coloured. Works great in A'stan, but in Holland, I doubt it. MARPAT would probably be too expensive, but it would also mean we're not using something of ourselves, which plays an important role, too. And ACUPAT, come on....

Why is it so important to use a camoflage product produced by ourselves while we can buy it from one of our allies? And do you actually think they are actually going to need these patterns on Dutch soil? cmon...

Anyways there is only a small chance that there will be any major deployments after Uruzgan. From now on there will be just these small contributions to NATO missions such as the Kunduz 'Police' mission, guarding Libian airspace and patrolling the Gulf of Aden.

So all the whole modernising the army procces is nice and all but unfortunately it will never become what it once was.

[MonkeySoldier]

Why is it so important to use a camoflage product produced by ourselves while we can buy it from one of our allies? And do you actually think they are actually going to need these patterns on Dutch soil? cmon...

Nope, I think it's more meant towards (small) peacekeeping missions, which means you'll be around a lot in (semi) urban environments.

Anyways there is only a small chance that there will be any major deployments after Uruzgan. From now on there will be just these small contributions to NATO missions such as the Kunduz 'Police' mission, guarding Libian airspace and patrolling the Gulf of Aden.

So all the whole modernising the army procces is nice and all but unfortunately it will never become what it once was.

Unfortunately, yeah.

[Glimmerman]

Hmm this is new to me, I did heard they were researching on MultiCam , I will ask around.

[MonkeySoldier]

Multicam was deemed too expensive to issue to the whole army.

[Glimmerman]

Multicam was deemed too expensive to issue to the whole army.

Do you have a source for this?

[MonkeySoldier]

Do you have a source for this?

Nope, read it on another forum who talked to a soldier who wore the uniform. No official one, unfortunately. Might as well be it too ineffective for the concept the new camouflage was supposed to be for, woodland/urban, or it wasn't Dutch enough. Where did you heard they were researching for multicam? Same source maybe?

By the way, am I the only one thinking that they took the Dutch jungle camo colours, replaced the rustbrown with urban gray, and put it in a new pattern?

[Glimmerman]

Nope, read it on another forum who talked to a soldier who wore the uniform. No official one, unfortunately. Might as well be it too ineffective for the concept the new camouflage was supposed to be for, woodland/urban, or it wasn't Dutch enough. Where did you heard they were researching for multicam? Same source maybe?

By the way, am I the only one thinking that they took the Dutch jungle camo colours, replaced the rustbrown with urban gray, and put it in a new pattern?

Hehe nah my source is a forum and team member here

I read about this on the military pictures forum but since the MoD website didnt post anything about it and I could see anything about it at the stand of DMO at the "Marinedagen" I have this feeling its just a concept like the digital camo presented by TNO a few years back.

[Sgt_Doctor]

[dtacs]

Is that it being tested in the Netherlands?

Wonder how it fares in potential Dutch military hotspots.

[MCI]

Wonder how it fares in potential Dutch military hotspots.

Read the posts on the previous page

[Glimmerman]

Found the article here:
Dutch military pictures - Page 728

here is a quick roundup of the Dutch text:
The woodland camo is called NFP-Green (Netherlands Fractal Pattern), the desert camo is called NFP-Tan.
Its based on the 2009 study by the TNO reseach lab.
The pattern is made up of pixels in 8 colors for each camo.
They mention it wont be the standard pattern for all our armed forces but it wil be the new standard for the marines, airmobile brigade, MechInf and recon units in 2014

The shown fabric was made by TenCate who also supply to the US Army and Marines, its infrared deflecting and fire protected.

At this moment its not 100% certain that Ten Cate will make the suits for the Dutch Armed Forces or if another company will get the contract.

So is anyone interested into doing another reskin?

[MonkeySoldier]

here is a quick roundup of the Dutch text:
They mention it wont be the standard pattern for all our armed forces but it wil be the new standard for the marines, airmobile brigade, MechInf and recon units in 2014

So is anyone interested into doing another reskin?

NFP zal niet per se het nieuwe camouflagepatroon voor de landmacht (en mariniers) zal worden, maar medio 2014 kan een nieuw camouflagetenue in het getoonde camouflagepatroon als eerste worden ingevoerd bij de gevechtseenheden: Korps Mariniers, luchtmobiele infanterie, pantserinfanterie en verkenningseenheden.

It says, it might be, not certain yet.

I think it's good though they're avoiding the very dark colours, as seen on the current DPM. However, a slight addition of some light brown would be nice. What I do find odd is that they mention up to 8 colours, but only shows 4 colours. So either they're talking ****, which wouldn't surprise me. Or they might add another colour, but I highly doubt that.

[Rudd]

is the blurred face included with teh hood?

its good that most countries are following the American's lead on soldier comfort I think - BDUs that are designed to be untucked etc is just the obvious way to go I would have thought.

[MonkeySoldier]

is the blurred face included with teh hood?

its good that most countries are following the American's lead on soldier comfort I think - BDUs that are designed to be untucked etc is just the obvious way to go I would have thought.

I don't think the comfort of the uniform (not talking about equipment) is bad, normal uniform is worn untucked. The quality however...

[MaxBooZe]

Glimmerman;1638849']They mention it wont be the standard pattern for all our armed forces but it wil be the new standard for the marines, airmobile brigade, MechInf and recon units in 2014

Basically that is our entire army