Suppressive Fire as of .95, does it work?

[PFunk]

Do you mean 20%? But yes, I agree on the whole. Leading a 10-man squad would be pretty awesome.

Yes, I failed math. And yes leading 10 men squads is pretty good, so good I'm gonna go play some 128 right now.

[Hitmanrules]

For people who fully understand the deviation in the game suppression is abit worthless. When someone is firing way to quickly to accurately put a shot on you, it only gives you the confidence that you can kill them at range.

I personally don't suppress targets when I have deviation because it's harder to kill them at range. Which is always less random and dangerous than killing them in CQB.

SillySavage91's Channel - YouTube

This video by Silly Savage is possibly the best example of the deviation system done right. Why waste a clip on a guy just to keep his head down when you can pop him before he has a clue where you are?

[Mikemonster]

The best suppression is a bullet to the head, lol.

[ChallengerCC]

The concept of 'suppression' in PR is irrelevant as there is no fear of death, people disregard themselves by running around corners spraying hoping to get a kill, disbarring realism totally as they know they will be able to do the same thing within minutes. This is in addition to the absolute spontaneity and randomness which plagues infantry engagements.

This translates to snipers often popping up to take a shot even though they could have the whole team firing at them, it makes little difference. I find myself popping up to shoot even if a tank is facing me, and I see others do the same in a role-reversal.

As for the physical suppression effect itself, its as good as its going to get. Until the developers find a way to make players be more content and actually reserve themselves instead of popping out into a hail of bullets we are going to continue to see people do stupid things in order to get kills.

Because of that FOB?s need to be maxed to 1-2 on each side.
And Spawntime should be increased. Also this increase usage of transport capabilitys and increas the "value" of a life.
So you can still play like in Counterstrike but i think after 3 time waiting and traveling a "long" time you think about it to play more save.
This decrease of corse the action factor. But i think it call PR not Project Action.
What i also notice since last 2 patches (moving speed) is that spreading with the weapon is now 90% of all fights.
What i think is the totaly wrong way PR did in the last patches.
Single fire is not so effective any more. I had made an video about hitboxes since the new version. Where you can see
that i hit the target opticle 5 times and he got 0 damage. This make it impossible when someon runs in front of you from one side to another, to hit him effectivly with semi automatic (single shot).
To prevent this the hitboxes need to be fixed to the moving speed of units(soldiers).

A nother thing is the centration of waepons that cause this 90% of spreading.
Best example are the IDF and German Waepons. The center there aim far to quickly. So you can run and stand and press the hole magazine in one liddl area. So the accurace while automatice fire and the centration of the gun from run to standing and shoot is far to fast.
Use an AK and you will see the big ultra super difference. And why should one gun center more then a nother one thats bulshit. And when the AK 74 has a smaler round so this gun should be more accurate even of its waight.
While firing, the spreading should be different, but not when you shoot first rounds 1-2.

So the time of centration need to be overhaled from all weapons to one and the same. Not different.

[PFunk]

Yes, single shot does feel pretty useless in short range, while its my understanding that just about any soldier will tell you that 90% of the time they're using single shot, even in CQB.

[Cavazos]

Perhaps suppressive fire is overstated: Ben and Bawb's Blog: SUPPRESSIVE FIRE...DOESN'T

[CanuckCommander]

^That's a nice post.

I think the misconception about suppression comes from in-game as well as real life. People see combat videos from Afganistan and think that's how real soldiers fight and that's what they, the gamers, should do in PR as well. The main problem with that is that they never considered whether they soldiers were doing it "right" in the first place. Therefore, bad tactic is unknowingly passed by the real soldiers to gamers as well.

In my opinion, ACCURATE and POWERFUL fire is the deciding factor. What contributes to accuracy? I would say the weapons system, optics and marksmanship. What makes a weapon powerful? A weapon that does as much damage as possible with the fewest shots is a powerful weapon. The US Army is field testing the XM25 grenade launcher, an accurate air-burst and powerful weapon. If I had my way, I would issue that to every rifleman.

My philosophy is that whether in-game or in RL, rifles should play a PDW (personal defence) role, rather than a ranged-shooting role. Each squad should take the POWERFUL/1 shot weapons, including rockets, snipers, marksman, and grenade launchers. If the squad is thought of as an individual soldier, then the ACCURATE/POWERFUL long-range weapons should be the primary weapons, while the smaller caliber assault rifles should be secondary defence weapons for engagements within 50-100m. Yes I'm saying the armies of the world are doing it wrong currently. Most of the kills in Afganistan and Iraq were not attained by assault rifles anyway, instead they were by airstrikes and missiles (accurate and powerful weapons).

In game I would set my my squad as follows:

1. SL KIT (Spotter)
2. Rifleman Optic (Spotting and Ammo purposes)
3. Grenadier (1 shot 1 kill firepower philosophy)
---^That would constitute the assault team
4. LMG gunner/LAT/HAT (Depending on the map and situation)
5. Sniper/Marksman (Depending on availability)
6. Medic
---^This second half would be the support team.

If an enemy is beyond 50m, as SL I would only the sniper to engage. The riflemen are only to provide enough fire so that our sniper can shoot accurately. Other than that, riflemen are to use their optics to spot for the sniper and grenadier. This strategy guarantees the squad's high survival rate as well as high kill rate.

[Cavazos]

Interesting philosphy. Another article I was reading related to this said how the most effective weapons were the .50 cal, HE grenades from grenade launchers, and sniper rifles.

[Arnoldio]

Works to some extent.

Hopefully in 1.0, with lesser deviation, popping up to take shots wont be so easy anymore...

[ShockUnitBlack]

Works situationally, mostly in a defensive role.

[Souls Of Mischief]

In PR, "gamey" clans completely and utterly destroy "realism" clans, history has shown itself.

O RLY?

[Tim270]

ODS beat them in the return (I think it was the return?) so it does not prove much

[Souls Of Mischief]

Was there a re-match? I thought they (as in both parties) couldn't work it out or something.

[Portable.Cougar]

Please don't drag TG into a clan "who's better" debate.

sent from the phone using magic

[tankninja1]

Suppressive fire in a nutshell
Step 1: bring your guys on line facing the objective you are wanting to suppress
Step 2: Shoot, just shoot, suppressive fire doesn't need to necessarily kill just keep the enemies head down, if you fire enough the enemy won't be able to see or stand up without getting hit

[Souls Of Mischief]

Please don't drag TG into a clan "who's better" debate.

sent from the phone using magic

Nobody did that. You brought it up.

[Arduras]

Suppression does not work when you know that the one trying to shoot you can only hit the cover, and not you.

There should be smaller effective areas for suppression; it should only come up if the bullet hits the cover/ground directly in front of the person, not half a meter away.

I think they should make it much more intense/add a small random element
perhaps. Right now people can just predict the shot despite the blur and that's a large part
of why suppression is ineffective - it's supposed to render it more difficult, even impossible
to return fire or fire on the flanking party.

[_Fizzco_]

O RLY?

Since when is TG Milsim? ^^