[AAR] ROE? Sometimes screw the rules

[lukeyu2005]

I was playing on NWA UK on a round of insurgency on Fujjulah (Spelling fail )

I was US got a marksman kit and got up in the mosque tower which conveniently looked into the insurgents main.

Now the server rule was insurgent main bases are no fire zones.

But i had done some shooting made myself known and the SPG techie came in to rearm at main.

The SPG was looking straight at me.
I asked squad leader to engage but he told me not to.

So i had my scope trained on the SPG gunner's head and he was looking back at me. (i could've killed him there)

I heard him fire and i immediately fired (fortunately rockets go slower than sound)>

He killed me but according to the score board i killed him too.

So in that situation kill or be killed would i have been right to shoot first?


Also same round insurgents firing RPGs out of the main at the mosque tower.
Two of them using a civilian as a human shield.

I managed to kill both of them without hurting the civilian.

i surprise myself.

If that was you i killed well i'm sorry i can't hear you over how awesome i am.....

Trololololololo

[saXoni]

1: Why would you go up in the mosque-tower? It's a fucking bullet-magnet.
2: Why did you disobey your squad-leader?
3: Why did you break the server rules? You should have gone down from the mosque-tower instead.

[Mikemonster]

1) Lonewolf sniper
2) Lonewolf sniper
3) Trololololololo .. Well played sir.

[saXoni]

1) Noob
2) Noob
3) Ubernoob .. Well played sir.

Fixed it for you.

[Pronck]

You left your squad behind that's what you actually said in your story, you SL should get you out of the tower and shoot you with his pistol. Your job as a marksman is to provide your squad long/medium range effectiveness.

[lukeyu2005]

Nah my squad was up there with me. We were just doing some recon.

And the squad leader said it's ok to shoot if they shoot first.

I only broke the server rules once the enemy had broken it first and i fired in self defense

[chrisweb89]

So if I break a rule its ok for you to? Does it say in their server rules you can fire in defence? The smart thing avoiding the mosque tower and other comments would have been to recognize you aren't allowed to shoot him there, so to move to a spot where he can't shoot you from their main. This is as simple as changing sides or climbing down to the roof. Going on the tallest point around in view of the enemy main then just waiting for someone to shoot out at you isn't an excuse to shoot back in, instead just make it so you're not exposed to where you're not allowed to shoot and all problems are solved.

[Spec]

It is a bit silly of a question. Of course you're not allowed to break rules, there is no justification for breaking the server rules. If you play there, you agreed to stick to the rules, even if that is to your disadvantage or seems unfair or whatever. It's simple, really. Don't break the server rules, ever.

[dtacs]

If someone is openly killing your squad and you have the option to stop him right there and then, you would sit there watching him?

It's ludicrous to say there is no justification period.

[Spec]

That depends on the server rules. Normally I would indeed rather try to get an admin online than resort to teamkilling a teamkiller. I've seen people being punished for doing so and I have punished people for doing so, in all sorts of games. If a server admin wants to leave it as an option to teamkill teamkillers, that'll surely be in the server rules.

[dtacs]

It isn't written in the rules on TG, PRTA or NwA, or any other server that I know of. Most servers would not discipline for it when the perpetrator can explain their situation, however.

But that 'TK a TKer' is just an example. I personally don't see how you can not break rules when other players are jeopardizing the rules themselves or inhibiting fruitful gameplay of others. Being the ultimate white knight must get very frustrating.

[MaSSive]

There is no justification for what you did. There are no white knights anymore ( that's a fairy tale ) Teamkilling a teamkiller is treated the same by most ( if not all admins )

In this case, your squad has put itself in to bad position. You should just leave that position instead of waiting to be spotted and shot eventually. If its a no fire zone, then you shouldn't be there at all / armed. Recon? Whatever / NO.

[speedhound1-WYD-]

thank you for flagging yourself as a rule breaker, anything else you want to admit to ?

NwA speedhound

[LieutenantNessie]

thank you for flagging yourself as a rule breaker, anything else you want to admit to ?

NwA speedhound

Well oh my god.

[Smiddey723]

The solution for this was simply get out of the mosque tower when he saw you, then he doesnt kill you and you don't kill him and hey what do ya' know nobody breaks any rules either.

Hurahhh. Derp.

[SGT.MARCO]

Here is my 2 cents
If someone is not giving my team the privacy of our own main, then i feel obligated to say that it is not a fair fight. Just sitting at main waiting for them to exit the front door. Its not recon just to sit there waiting for enemies to to step out to shoot. If i had a marksman aimed at my head, i would shoot too. You cant sit there holding rifles to there head like that. Next time dont look into their main like that, stay away from it

[Mikemonster]

If you're in main and somebody is looking in report it, simple as that. Looking into the enemy main is unnecessary when the vantage point almost always overlooks another three directions (whilst covering you from their main).

And with regards to teamkilling a teamkiller, 9/10 it's a simple case of putting up with it and reporting to admin with the !r function. Teamkillers almost always troll about in main (because they can't play well enough to enjoy being outside) meaning you can grt them kicked and banned and simply spawn in again. Some noteable exceptions but it's a straightforward and obvious solution that any grown up player accepts. Otherwise you end up with a childish tit for tat 'he stole my kit and tk' war in main, and you can see how that looks to a distracted admin.

So yes, play by the rules.

Edit: Marco, if somebody is camping one of the exits of main just report it and see what the admin think. On some maps (mainly Insurgency) it's ok (and necessary at times), whereas on others it's especially lame. Good servers understand this and more often than not a quick word to admin will have the offending players told to withdraw and/or disciplined.

If Insurgents main is camped from one or two sides then the answer is simple.. Some people need it spelling out for them though - USE THE OTHER EXITS.

[LieutenantNessie]

Here is my 2 cents
If someone is not giving my team the privacy of our own main, then i feel obligated to say that it is not a fair fight. Just sitting at main waiting for them to exit the front door. Its not recon just to sit there waiting for enemies to to step out to shoot. If i had a marksman aimed at my head, i would shoot too. You cant sit there holding rifles to there head like that. Next time dont look into their main like that, stay away from it

What if he was scouting enemy SPG's/Gary's leaving their main?

[saXoni]

What if he was scouting enemy SPG's/Gary's leaving their main?

He wasn't.

[LieutenantNessie]

He wasn't.

Okay then :3