[Map] Op.Sapphire (4km) [WIP]

[bren]

Pavlovsk bay has the one with mk12s. Is there a dev here who could help? And regarding the layout, alt should have the one with what I was asking for. 64 would have two hueys, two cas little birds that don't respond, and a transport little bird. For land there would be 4 boats, and 2 aavs.

Me and BD appreciate this. It means a lot man. And we will hold off on the video.

[Rabbit]

Pavlovsk bay has the one with mk12s. Is there a dev here who could help? And regarding the layout, alt should have the one with what I was asking for. 64 would have two hueys, two cas little birds that don't respond, and a transport little bird. For land there would be 4 boats, and 2 aavs.

Me and BD appreciate this. It means a lot man. And we will hold off on the video.

Do you mean mk19? Yes, there are RHIBs with the mk19.

[bren]

Do you mean mk19? Yes, there are RHIBs with the mk19.

Damn, it's been a while.

I meant the Mk19, Ason.

Thanks wabbit.

[Ason]

Pavlovsk bay has the one with mk12s. Is there a dev here who could help? And regarding the layout, alt should have the one with what I was asking for. 64 would have two hueys, two cas little birds that don't respond, and a transport little bird. For land there would be 4 boats, and 2 aavs.

Me and BD appreciate this. It means a lot man. And we will hold off on the video.

Alright so you want it like this:
US AAS32
2x RHIB MG
2x RHIB MK19
2x Littlebird trans
1x littlebird with gun
1x littlebird with gun + rockets
1x AAV (aavp7a1)

And then I should give ARF something to counter that?
This is how I set up ARF atm
ARF AAS32
4x dirtbike
2x cars
2x trans truck
4x trans boat
4x MG boat
1x AAV truck
1x rocket technical

4x fixed AA

Some of them won't respawn.

The only problem I see is that US won't get any crates. I don't think the littlebirds got crates. In that case do you want me to switch 1 littlebird trans to huey?

[bren]

Yeah that's good..

I was thinking, unless this would be too much trouble.. Using NVA vs USA? That would be kind of interesting.

[Ason]

I was thinking, unless this would be too much trouble.. Using NVA vs USA? That would be kind of interesting.

Would there be any other changes with vehicles aswell? How would it change the gameplay?
In my opinion the ARF fits better for both the map/environment and the vehicles.

I guess if I use NVA they would be able to use heavy vehicles since they have a
crewman kit(they do right?) But I don't see the need for heavy vehicles on a map like this.

But yeah, I can change it if you really want it.

[Mongolian_dude]

Alright so you want it like this:
US AAS32
2x RHIB MG
2x RHIB MK19
2x Littlebird trans
1x littlebird with gun
1x littlebird with gun + rockets
1x AAV (aavp7a1)

And then I should give ARF something to counter that?
This is how I set up ARF atm
ARF AAS32
4x dirtbike
2x cars
2x trans truck
4x trans boat
4x MG boat
1x AAV truck
1x rocket technical

4x fixed AA

Some of them won't respawn.

The only problem I see is that US won't get any crates. I don't think the littlebirds got crates. In that case do you want me to switch 1 littlebird trans to huey?

I think you need to consider the aspect of realism more strongly in your choice of assets.

Firstly, faction asset plausibility.
I can't think of a single instance where the US Marine Corps would be deploying special Army unit little birds from Naval carriers. I would strictly limit yourself to exclusively USMC/Navy assets, so instead limit yourself to UH-1N Hueys for light trans and CAS.

Since the ARF are likely going to be pirates in this context, it would be practically impossible for them to maintain, arm, refuel and operate any armour vehicles at all, regardless if they happened to have seize 33 Russian tanks. In general, not even a conventional military would probably see it fit to deploy any ground vehicle to such a small Island, especially those vehicles that are not seafaring amphibious vehicles. That would probably exclude the LAV-25 too, since it can only ford rivers and not sail on open seas like the AAVP7 can.

Secondly, insertion vs overall troop capacity vs permanent use vs potential ticket loss.
What I mean by this is, how will the type of insertion methods available to attackers affect map gameplay? I'd say, since there really isn't anywhere for the ARF to hide or take cover, I'd suggest giving the USMC a hard time and limiting their insertion options. That means making ariel insertion an option for some Marines with 1-2 Hueys, but not 3-5 for the whole force. The frustration for the ARF would be that the USMC could strike or reinforce at any moment, anywhere. The round would last no longer than 15 minutes. Also, you will find on some maps with a lot of air trans assets, that after the main force is deployed to land, most of these assets become useless, and pilots get reckless and cost the team a shit load of tickets in crashes and irresponsible flying. If you put lots of helicopters in, I can pretty much guarantee you gameplay will suffer.

Thirdly, firepower & balance.
This will be make-break for your map. The ARF are on tiny islands with slight hills and a fair amount of trees, which massively limits their options for manoeuvre. Similarly, the strong points they will have to defend don't appear to be very large areas. What this means is, if you have assets like CAS and Armour, two things will happen. Firstly, anyone outside of these defensive strong points will be slaughtered and stand little to no chance. Secondly, anyone inside these defensive strong points will be permanently suppressed as soon as a heavy asset turns up. The ARF will be immediately confined to rooms, where windows and doors will be kill zones, not defensive firing points. The ARF will wait until the USMC chucks a tone of frag grenades into the room and then storm them. This is no fun at all, and would be pretty dull for the USMC too.

1. I would suggest limiting the majority of USMC operations to RHIBs, giving them 50cal and Mk.19 variants for increased firepower to support the landings. This means the USMC has to fight for and earn the ground they take and hold, which is important since the ARF have very little to give in the first place.
2. I would suggest a small air-trans contingent for the USMC. This will open up a few other tactical options for the USMC, and will be their sole option for logistics and resupply.
3. I would suggest choosing between either limited CAS or light armour, defiantly not both. Be realistic about what the USMC would deploy to such a small theatre.
4. I would suggest a large mobile and fixed AAA force for the ARF, forcing the USMC to be wise and methodical about their use of airpower. It might then become the USMC infantry's objective to eliminate AAA positions before bringing in helicopter support to areas.

With that said:

USMC

? (lots) x RHIB
4x RHIB, 50cal M2
2 x RHIB Mk.19 AGL

2x UH-1N Huey, M240
1x MV-22 Osprey

2x AAVP7A1
OR EITHER
1x UH-1Y Venom Huey CAS

I would include the Osprey mostly for logistics reasons. The USMC would otherwise have to rely on 2 Hueys for all their supply needs, while with an Osprey their logistics potential is increased to 300%, and becomes much more time efficient.


ARF

? (lots) x Wooden Sampan
4 x Wooden Sampan, Dshk 12.7mm
2 x PBR (Vietnam US patrol boat).
4 x motorcycle
2 x Civi car
3 x Technical 50.cal
1 x Technical, S-5 rockets.
2 x Ural AAA
5 x ZPU-23-4

[Ason]

Yeah, that's about how I wanted it. I have that kind of setup on AAS64.

On AAS32, I think limiting cas to 1 instead of 2 and removing AAV vehhicle for US will do.

so it will be:

US AAS32
2x RHIB MG
2x RHIB MK19
1x huey
2x Littlebird trans
1x littlebird with gun

ARF AAS32
4x dirtbike
2x cars
2x trans truck
4x trans boat
4x MG boat
1x AAV truck
1x rocket technical

4x fixed AA

[Rabbit]

While the idea of making a Archipelago into a map is cool, I'm a bit worried at how you are doing it and think it should honestly be redone. Look at Operation Bobcat, https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f354-c ... m-wip.html

The island are laid our in a realistic way with shallows and everything. Not to mention large urban areas built up in coastal areas and connected with a main highway which most things are connected to. In the center you have dirt roads that connect to a few more points of interest like a farm or dig sight, something that wouldn't need a major road.

[Arc_Shielder]

Honestly, this map would take a long time to be done properly. If it's only for an event then it should be mission based with specific goals in mind. Instruct the players about the rules (e.g.: hostage rescue) and have a blast. There should be more communication going on between you and whoever wants this map. Also, 50 vs 50 in this map won't work in an orderly fashion.

[Psyrus]

This map reminds me of operation hailstorm

[Ason]

yeah guys, it's just a small little project, I'm basically done with it already. I finished all lightmaps yesterday so now it's basically just a play test left and then we will see how it it turns out.

I should have made the islands a little bit bigger, and yes more detailed with nice shallow water and white beaches. But as I say this is just a small project to see how fast I can make a decent map, and hopefully someone can have some fun playing it.
My next project will probably be a full 4km desert map which will probably make it easier with CPs and gameplay.
I realize this map is a bit risky when it comes to good placement of CP and therefore good gameplay, but we will just have to wait and see.

[Mongolian_dude]

I still am at a loss as to why your going for US Army SF littlebirds instead of CAS Hueys. It doesnt make sense.

[Ason]

I still am at a loss as to why your going for US Army SF littlebirds instead of CAS Hueys. It doesnt make sense.

That's just on AAS32, AAS64 will have Huey and Osprey

[Ason]

Can someone tell me how to get rid of the line that runs across the map? One side is brighter and the other is darker..
I thought it would disappear after lightmapping the terrain :/
I don't think it shows up ingame but I can't make a proper minimap when it's there...

[BroCop]

Its a problem with ATI cards. Since you're generating the minimap as opposed to using the minimap tutorial im assuming its just a temporal minimap for testing purposes, you might wanna just photoshop the bottom half so its not noticeable (or at the very least match the bottom halfs water with the upper one so that its not that obvious)

[Ason]

Its a problem with ATI cards. Since you're generating the minimap as opposed to using the minimap tutorial im assuming its just a temporal minimap for testing purposes, you might wanna just photoshop the bottom half so its not noticeable (or at the very least match the bottom halfs water with the upper one so that its not that obvious)

The weird thing is I made a temporary minimap after generating terrain lightmaps on low and somewhere in the process it fixed itself, but now after final lightmaps it's like this..

I'll try to lightmap it on low again and see what happens.

[Arab]

Try setting the minimap file as read-only and try again? Sometimes the editor doesn't save things properly because the program is an outdated mess.

[Ason]

Try setting the minimap file as read-only and try again? Sometimes the editor doesn't save things properly because the program is an outdated mess.

Wouldn't that just keep it in its current state? If it's read only can I still overwrite it with a new one?

Does someone know what this does:
1) using the console command, type out RENDERER MINCULLDISTANCE 10000
2) Make sure you press enter (if you do... the text i circled in red will show up in the output window.

It's from a minimap tutorial from 2007.. Don't know what it does though..

[Mongolian_dude]

That's just on AAS32, AAS64 will have Huey and Osprey

Increasing the intensity of assets and decreasing the proposed player count doesn't make sense either. It'd make more sense and be a more valuable use of the content you've created thus far if you instead just revised an AAS32 asset layout that gave players an alternative approach to the map, and not one that simply compromises gameplay and immersion. This is the approach taken in the majority of official PR maps, otherwise they change the factions altogether.